Comments on: The State of the Union is Warm–and Getting Warmer http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:47:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: hippie with a pistol http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2322 hippie with a pistol Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:48:58 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2322 US GHG emissions grew at a rate much higher under Clinton than they have under GBUSH. Does that make the Clinton presidency irrelevant? With Dingell running the House Energy and Commerce Committe to you think congress will cap CO2 emissions? (I don't think so) If not, won't that make the 110th irrelevant? Canada's GHG emissions growth rate far exceed US's. Does that make Canada's goverment irrelevant? US GHG emissions grew at a rate much higher under Clinton than they have under GBUSH. Does that make the Clinton presidency irrelevant?

With Dingell running the House Energy and Commerce Committe to you think congress will cap CO2 emissions? (I don’t think so) If not, won’t that make the 110th irrelevant?

Canada’s GHG emissions growth rate far exceed US’s. Does that make Canada’s goverment irrelevant?

]]> By: ReadyForChange http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2323 ReadyForChange Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:39:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2323 Hippie - you're not adding anything to the real conversation, just trying to defend Bush which is the ultimate losing side of the debate. Does that make your comment irrelevant? Methinks you're definitely no hippie... most likely a troll trying to pass oneself off as a liberal. Terrible job if that's the case. And in the future if you want to spout off such claims it behooves you to also post a credible source to back it up. GHG emissions grew at a faster rate under Clinton? Hard to believe - although Clinton certainly never even tried to limit GHG emissions he left many of the current restrictions in place while GWB removed or relaxed many of the restrictions on atmospheric emissions such as CO2, methane and even mercury (which accounts for the increased concentration of mercury in sea fish thank you very much) Hippie - you’re not adding anything to the real conversation, just trying to defend Bush which is the ultimate losing side of the debate. Does that make your comment irrelevant? Methinks you’re definitely no hippie… most likely a troll trying to pass oneself off as a liberal. Terrible job if that’s the case.

And in the future if you want to spout off such claims it behooves you to also post a credible source to back it up. GHG emissions grew at a faster rate under Clinton? Hard to believe - although Clinton certainly never even tried to limit GHG emissions he left many of the current restrictions in place while GWB removed or relaxed many of the restrictions on atmospheric emissions such as CO2, methane and even mercury (which accounts for the increased concentration of mercury in sea fish thank you very much)

]]> By: hippie with a pistol http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2324 hippie with a pistol Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:40:05 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2324 2006 Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/Emissions.html http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/ResourceCenterPublicationsGHGEmissionsUSEmissionsInventory2006.html Fast facts with tables and conversions: http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/UniqueKeyLookup/RAMR6P5M5M/$File/06FastFacts.pdf 2006 Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks

http://yosemite.epa.gov/ oar/ globalwarming.nsf/ content/ Emissions.html

http://yosemite.epa.gov/ oar/ globalwarming.nsf/ content/ ResourceCenterPublicationsGHGEmissionsUSEmissionsInventory2006.html

Fast facts with tables and conversions:
http://yosemite.epa.gov/ oar/ globalwarming.nsf/ UniqueKeyLookup/ RAMR6P5M5M/ $File/ 06FastFacts.pdf

]]> By: JJ http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2326 JJ Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:31:32 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2326 Hippie tried to make a similar argument on Think Progress. This list represents, year by year, the amount of increase in the rate of emissions in millions of metric tons. The only trend you can discern here is that you get drops in emissions rate increases whenever there’s a recession: 1991 = -43 1992 = +102 1993 = +96 1994 = +68 1995 = +50 1996 = +189 1997 = +68 1998 = +50 1999 = +44 2000 = +162 2001 = -79 2002 = +40 2003 = +49 2004 = +104 Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/excel/figure108_data.xls There is no trend of smaller increases. It’s pretty much a steady rate of increase, except when there’s a recession. Hippie tried to make a similar argument on Think Progress.

This list represents, year by year, the amount of increase in the rate of emissions in millions of metric tons. The only trend you can discern here is that you get drops in emissions rate increases whenever there’s a recession:

1991 = -43
1992 = +102
1993 = +96
1994 = +68
1995 = +50
1996 = +189
1997 = +68
1998 = +50
1999 = +44
2000 = +162
2001 = -79
2002 = +40
2003 = +49
2004 = +104

Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/ oiaf/ aeo/ excel/ figure108_data.xls

There is no trend of smaller increases. It’s pretty much a steady rate of increase, except when there’s a recession.

]]> By: hippie with a pistol http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2330 hippie with a pistol Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:41:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2330 jj, You've selected data for energy-related co2 emissions only. That's a subset of all GHG. For more complete data on GHG see the annual report I've cited above. jj,
You’ve selected data for energy-related co2 emissions only. That’s a subset of all GHG. For more complete data on GHG see the annual report I’ve cited above.

]]> By: Douglas Watts http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2331 Douglas Watts Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:11:12 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2331 In 2007 it's not relevant who did what 10 years ago. As a simple matter of fact, Clinton did not have a terribly good record on environmental policy. But again, that is not relevant today since it is not 1996 today. In 2007 it’s not relevant who did what 10 years ago. As a simple matter of fact, Clinton did not have a terribly good record on environmental policy. But again, that is not relevant today since it is not 1996 today.

]]> By: ReadyForChange http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2336 ReadyForChange Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:42:57 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2336 Haven't had time to dig into those links yet but thanks for posting them. However the main point that rears its head no matter the outcome of this argument is that BUSH is in charge now, and that turning this into another Clinton smear project does nothing to advance the actual discussion other than to play the blame game. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Clinton wasn't perfect but he at least kept America in one piece. With the evidence mounting and understanding growing of how urgent action is needed NOW, Bush can take a far greater slice of the blame if you ask me - especially when you consider his outright DENIAL of there even being a problem. Haven’t had time to dig into those links yet but thanks for posting them.

However the main point that rears its head no matter the outcome of this argument is that BUSH is in charge now, and that turning this into another Clinton smear project does nothing to advance the actual discussion other than to play the blame game. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Clinton wasn’t perfect but he at least kept America in one piece.

With the evidence mounting and understanding growing of how urgent action is needed NOW, Bush can take a far greater slice of the blame if you ask me - especially when you consider his outright DENIAL of there even being a problem.

]]> By: Good Nonsense http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2337 Good Nonsense Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:14:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/01/19/the-state-of-the-union-is-warm-and-getting-warmer/#comment-2337 <strong>Weather, Water, Energy 1-21-07...</strong> Quick hits for your weekend enjoyment (?): Don't deny yourself the takedowns of Bushnev's coming SOTU address and the excerpts of Hell or High Water over at ClimateProgress.... Weather, Water, Energy 1-21-07…

Quick hits for your weekend enjoyment (?):

Don’t deny yourself the takedowns of Bushnev’s coming SOTU address and the excerpts of Hell or High Water over at ClimateProgress….

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