Comments on: The Great (Lakes) Disappearing Act http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:05:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Namtillaku http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4407 Namtillaku Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:30:05 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4407 I guess we're going to have to start calling them the Good Lakes eh? I guess we’re going to have to start calling them the Good Lakes eh?

]]> By: Ken http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4408 Ken Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:53:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4408 > Notoriously cold winters in Michigan are expected to warm by 10 degrees > Fahrenheit, and summers by 13 degrees. Bullshit. What is your reference for this claim? > Notoriously cold winters in Michigan are expected to warm by 10 degrees
> Fahrenheit, and summers by 13 degrees.

Bullshit. What is your reference for this claim?

]]> By: Kari http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4409 Kari Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:13:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4409 The post is based off of the reporting in the article whose link is provided in the text. The second page of that article says: "A 2006 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists concluded that average air temperatures in Michigan would rise by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit in the winter and 13 degrees in the summer. Such changes would shorten winters and lengthen summers in Michigan, said George Kling, a University of Michigan biology professor who worked on the Union of Concerned Scientists report." The post is based off of the reporting in the article whose link is provided in the text. The second page of that article says:

“A 2006 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists concluded that average air temperatures in Michigan would rise by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit in the winter and 13 degrees in the summer. Such changes would shorten winters and lengthen summers in Michigan, said George Kling, a University of Michigan biology professor who worked on the Union of Concerned Scientists report.”

]]> By: Hippie with a pistol http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4410 Hippie with a pistol Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:29:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4410 Joe (and the article) have cherry-picked the worst case scenarios from UCS this study (lead author, George Kling, a biologist) and excluding possible ranges thereby lying by omission. He has also substuted "will" for "may" and "likely" as used in the study. When advocates continue to exaggerate, distort, misrepresent climate science and "selecting the best, leave the rest" from biased studies, they lose all credibility. Joe (and the article) have cherry-picked the worst case scenarios from UCS this study (lead author, George Kling, a biologist) and excluding possible ranges thereby lying by omission. He has also substuted “will” for “may” and “likely” as used in the study.

When advocates continue to exaggerate, distort, misrepresent climate science and “selecting the best, leave the rest” from biased studies, they lose all credibility.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4411 Joe Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:08:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4411 Take a chill pill, dude. I see you have implied this is a "biased" study. On what basis do you make that claim? I have repeatedly said on this site that if we don't take action soon, we are headed for the worst-case scenarios because of the amplifying feedbacks like the melting tundra. Take a chill pill, dude.

I see you have implied this is a “biased” study. On what basis do you make that claim? I have repeatedly said on this site that if we don’t take action soon, we are headed for the worst-case scenarios because of the amplifying feedbacks like the melting tundra.

]]> By: Ken http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4412 Ken Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:16:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4412 Joe Says: > Take a chill pill, dude. This is what you tell everyone who disagrees with you. It is no substitute for proper analysis and truthful reporting. Neither of which you seem capable of. You are the kind of person the skeptics denigrate with the term "alarmist." And you deserve it. Joe Says:
> Take a chill pill, dude.

This is what you tell everyone who disagrees with you. It is no substitute for proper analysis and truthful reporting. Neither of which you seem capable of.

You are the kind of person the skeptics denigrate with the term “alarmist.” And you deserve it.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4413 Joe Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:33:54 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4413 Anyone who isn't alarmed is not paying attention to the science. I would add that Ken Caldeira pointed out at the AMS session we both spoke at that, since 2000, carbon dioxide emissions have been rising FASTER than the worst-case scenario envisioned by the IPCC. Anyone who isn’t alarmed is not paying attention to the science.

I would add that Ken Caldeira pointed out at the AMS session we both spoke at that, since 2000, carbon dioxide emissions have been rising FASTER than the worst-case scenario envisioned by the IPCC.

]]> By: Iván Rodríguez http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4579 Iván Rodríguez Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:44:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4579 The Great Lakes are dissapearing and a complete lake dissapeared in Chile: http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/322896-100799-0-Desaparece-un-lago-completo-el-sur-Chile If huge amounts of water dissapear, where is it going to? Who can take a complete lake or huge amounts of fresh water and how? The Great Lakes are dissapearing and a complete lake dissapeared in Chile:

http://www.infobae.com/ contenidos/ 322896-100799-0-Desaparece-un-lago-completo-el-sur-Chile

If huge amounts of water dissapear, where is it going to? Who can take a complete lake or huge amounts of fresh water and how?

]]> By: Iván Rodríguez http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4580 Iván Rodríguez Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:50:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-4580 2nd Reply this time in English: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/06/21/glacial-lake.html It is the same information about a lake that dissapeared completely in Chile all of a sudden. Any more news informations like these out there? 2nd Reply this time in English:

http://www.cbc.ca/ world/ story/ 2007/ 06/ 21/ glacial-lake.html

It is the same information about a lake that dissapeared completely in Chile all of a sudden. Any more news informations like these out there?

]]> By: Ron http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5910 Ron Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:51:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5910 I would suggest that all scientists and all others that are really concerned with "global warming" stop driving cars, stop flying planes, stop heating your homes, stop using electrical devices, and stop shopping in stores that are supplied by truck deliveries. Until you are ready to take that kind of stand on life your actions are hypocritical. It is also hypocritical to not also publish that this is a highly debated topic where half of the scientific community theorizes that the earth is going through a normal cycle and the average temperature is merely a result of this. I would suggest that all scientists and all others that are really concerned with “global warming” stop driving cars, stop flying planes, stop heating your homes, stop using electrical devices, and stop shopping in stores that are supplied by truck deliveries. Until you are ready to take that kind of stand on life your actions are hypocritical. It is also hypocritical to not also publish that this is a highly debated topic where half of the scientific community theorizes that the earth is going through a normal cycle and the average temperature is merely a result of this.

]]> By: Rob Bower http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5911 Rob Bower Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:52:26 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5911 The Great Lakes have been disappearing for thousands of years, ever since they were formed at the end of the last Ice Age. I live about 60 miles south of Lake Erie, in farmland that about 15,000 years ago was in the Lake. The Great Lakes have been disappearing for thousands of years, ever since they were formed at the end of the last Ice Age. I live about 60 miles south of Lake Erie, in farmland that about 15,000 years ago was in the Lake.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5913 Joe Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:13:58 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5913 Sorry, Ron, not half, maybe 1 in a 1000. Why should individuals take unilateral actions that will not solve the problem? I and others have been very clear that we need mandatory national controls. A very lame straw man, I must say. You can do better. Sorry, Ron, not half, maybe 1 in a 1000.

Why should individuals take unilateral actions that will not solve the problem? I and others have been very clear that we need mandatory national controls.

A very lame straw man, I must say. You can do better.

]]> By: surrender the hope http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5917 surrender the hope Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:45:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5917 saying that people who don't stop living their lives in a world laid out before them are hypocritical is probably the most delusional thinking i have ever heard. it is our government (current and past) and huge corporations who made desicions like stopping at the internal combustion engine that put us in this predicament. you can not blame the people for anything more than silence. you want vehicles that don't run on gasoline, raise your voice. saying that people who don’t stop living their lives in a world laid out before them are hypocritical is probably the most delusional thinking i have ever heard. it is our government (current and past) and huge corporations who made desicions like stopping at the internal combustion engine that put us in this predicament. you can not blame the people for anything more than silence. you want vehicles that don’t run on gasoline, raise your voice.

]]> By: Jake http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5921 Jake Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:09:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5921 I heard the lakes are disappearing because the channel between lake Huron and the St. Claire River is widening through erosion, this could be a main cause of the disappearing also. I heard the lakes are disappearing because the channel between lake Huron and the St. Claire River is widening through erosion, this could be a main cause of the disappearing also.

]]> By: Joe Duck http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5925 Joe Duck Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:46:47 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-5925 Joe you seem careful here to cite no good evidence but just imply that GW is responsible for lake levels *dropping*. This is odd, because GW is likely to lead to sea level rises of very modest amounts in the coming years - about a centimeter per year per IPCC. Like the bogus idea that polar bears are diminishing this sounds to me like another fake catasatrophe used in lieu of the real facts based on IPCC, which indicate modest changes and not catastrophic ones. For all the talk of straw men by GW folks I'd like to see people stick to the science, which by no means calls for the catastrophes that are used to whip up hysteria. I've given up on assigning much credibility to headlines like this because they seem designed more to spur people to action than to add to understanding. Shame on you for that approach. Joe you seem careful here to cite no good evidence but just imply that GW is responsible for lake levels *dropping*. This is odd, because GW is likely to lead to sea level rises of very modest amounts in the coming years - about a centimeter per year per IPCC.
Like the bogus idea that polar bears are diminishing this sounds to me like another fake catasatrophe used in lieu of the real facts based on IPCC, which indicate modest changes and not catastrophic ones. For all the talk of straw men by GW folks I’d like to see people stick to the science, which by no means calls for the catastrophes that are used to whip up hysteria. I’ve given up on assigning much credibility to headlines like this because they seem designed more to spur people to action than to add to understanding. Shame on you for that approach.

]]> By: Andrew http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-9145 Andrew Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:04:57 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/18/the-great-lakes-disappearing-act/#comment-9145 I hope this is just a natural cycle of the earth. I like the cold Michigan winters. I hope this is just a natural cycle of the earth. I like the cold Michigan winters.

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