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	<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/</link>
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		<title>By: Darryl Pearce</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4789</link>
		<author>Darryl Pearce</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"the planet will be cooked (and the near-surface ocean nearly lifeless) "


...oooh, that doesn't sound good.  But, let's consider James Lovelock's prognostication: "I'm an optimist. I think that after the warming sets in and the survivors have settled in near the Arctic, they will find a way to adjust. It will be a tough life enlivened by excitement and fear."

...sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the planet will be cooked (and the near-surface ocean nearly lifeless) &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;oooh, that doesn&#8217;t sound good.  But, let&#8217;s consider James Lovelock&#8217;s prognostication: &#8220;I&#8217;m an optimist. I think that after the warming sets in and the survivors have settled in near the Arctic, they will find a way to adjust. It will be a tough life enlivened by excitement and fear.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4793</link>
		<author>Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4793</guid>
					<description>Joe,
Wish I knew enough about the science to comment. What is the total annual CO2 thrown into our biosphere? What percentage of CO2 is man made? What would be the effect on global warming if it were possible to eliminate all human CO2 production today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Wish I knew enough about the science to comment. What is the total annual CO2 thrown into our biosphere? What percentage of CO2 is man made? What would be the effect on global warming if it were possible to eliminate all human CO2 production today?</p>
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		<title>By: hippie with a pistol</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4794</link>
		<author>hippie with a pistol</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4794</guid>
					<description>Notice your source references an Exxon scientist and IPCC author, Haroon Kheshgi.  What?  Funded by Exxon?  How could this have any credibilty at all?  Or do you only smear Exxon when they don't agree with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice your source references an Exxon scientist and IPCC author, Haroon Kheshgi.  What?  Funded by Exxon?  How could this have any credibilty at all?  Or do you only smear Exxon when they don&#8217;t agree with you?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4795</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4795</guid>
					<description>Hippie -- is that the best you can do, seriously?  I give you credit for looking through the references, but this is a major study of great significance.  Do you  disagree with the findings -- or do you just blindly should from the hip, hippie, with your pistol?

Paul -- if we eliminated all human CO2 production, global warming would slow sharply, and the planet would probably reach equilibrium at another 0.6°C warming.

Darryl -- I confess I don't agree with Lovelock.  And in any case, I don't think people will settle near the Arctic -- if his nightmare scenario comes true, people will have to relocate considerably inland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hippie &#8212; is that the best you can do, seriously?  I give you credit for looking through the references, but this is a major study of great significance.  Do you  disagree with the findings &#8212; or do you just blindly should from the hip, hippie, with your pistol?</p>
<p>Paul &#8212; if we eliminated all human CO2 production, global warming would slow sharply, and the planet would probably reach equilibrium at another 0.6°C warming.</p>
<p>Darryl &#8212; I confess I don&#8217;t agree with Lovelock.  And in any case, I don&#8217;t think people will settle near the Arctic &#8212; if his nightmare scenario comes true, people will have to relocate considerably inland.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Pearce</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4798</link>
		<author>Darryl Pearce</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4798</guid>
					<description>Thanks, Joe.

Over a decade ago, my letters-to-the-editor of my local paper often got me phone calls chastising me for over-reacting.

Now..., any way I can break out of technical writing about printers and start a paid gig technical writing about climate impacts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe.</p>
<p>Over a decade ago, my letters-to-the-editor of my local paper often got me phone calls chastising me for over-reacting.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;, any way I can break out of technical writing about printers and start a paid gig technical writing about climate impacts?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4799</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4799</guid>
					<description>Paul:

I'm not sure Joe fully responded to your questions, and I personally don't have the precise answers at my fingertips.

As a start on your becoming familiar with the science, however, I'd suggest either renting the movie or reading the book, "An Inconvenient Truth."  If you have that basic familiarity with the issues, though, I'd recommend Joe Romm's book "Hell and High Water."  Joe's too modest to recommend his own book, but I've read it, and it's the only reason I ever became aware of this website in the first place.

The science, as it were, is too extensive to outline in a single blog or two.  Good luck with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure Joe fully responded to your questions, and I personally don&#8217;t have the precise answers at my fingertips.</p>
<p>As a start on your becoming familiar with the science, however, I&#8217;d suggest either renting the movie or reading the book, &#8220;An Inconvenient Truth.&#8221;  If you have that basic familiarity with the issues, though, I&#8217;d recommend Joe Romm&#8217;s book &#8220;Hell and High Water.&#8221;  Joe&#8217;s too modest to recommend his own book, but I&#8217;ve read it, and it&#8217;s the only reason I ever became aware of this website in the first place.</p>
<p>The science, as it were, is too extensive to outline in a single blog or two.  Good luck with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Pearce</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4800</link>
		<author>Darryl Pearce</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4800</guid>
					<description>&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=%22Our+angry+earth%22" rel="nofollow"&gt;Our Angry Earth&lt;/a&gt; by Asimov and Pohl, 1993, is another good book.  This one really got my attention when it came out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22Our+angry+earth%22" rel="nofollow">Our Angry Earth</a> by Asimov and Pohl, 1993, is another good book.  This one really got my attention when it came out.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4803</link>
		<author>Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"planet would probably reach equilibrium at another 0.6°C warming"
Does this mean an equilibrium between atmospheric and oceanic CO2 or an equilibrium of temperature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;planet would probably reach equilibrium at another 0.6°C warming&#8221;<br />
Does this mean an equilibrium between atmospheric and oceanic CO2 or an equilibrium of temperature?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4804</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"an equilibrium of temperature" over decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;an equilibrium of temperature&#8221; over decades.</p>
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		<title>By: hippie with a pistol</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4808</link>
		<author>hippie with a pistol</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4808</guid>
					<description>Yes i agree, Joe, Sabine's attribution studies are of great significance.  And so are Kheshgi's.  See IPCC 2001 chapter on Detection and Attribution.  And both were authors in the IPCC Report on Carbon Dioxide Capture and Storage (Chapter 6).  I find it ironic that you trivialize Kheshgi.  Sabine thought enough of him to use his work as a source for this study.  I wish I had time to comment more on Sabine's emission data used in the calcs.

Btw, it's okay for you to use associations (or affliations) in your appeal to authority, but some how noting Kheshgi/Exxon in my A2A is disgarded or considered irrelevant.  It seems the left seems to get annoyed to hear about the oil giant's contribution to co2 science and attribution studies.  Can't bring themselves to credit those that oppose.

Anyway, this does not discredit the study, but Sabine notes the limitations of the data and acknowledges that much still needs to be learned:

"(T)here are no direct measurements or proxies that give us accurate oceanic carbon distributions before the industrial revolution. Therefore, we must rely on a back-calculation approach that has a number of assumptions. The limitations of the technique, including the potential impacts of global warming, have been thoroughly discussed in the literature and are an area of active research..." and so on.

Finally, I'd like to think Richard Alley would take offense to you smearing a geologist!!! haha.

this may be brief and disjointed but it's the best i can do in a few moments.
no time to address Segalstad's pov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes i agree, Joe, Sabine&#8217;s attribution studies are of great significance.  And so are Kheshgi&#8217;s.  See IPCC 2001 chapter on Detection and Attribution.  And both were authors in the IPCC Report on Carbon Dioxide Capture and Storage (Chapter 6).  I find it ironic that you trivialize Kheshgi.  Sabine thought enough of him to use his work as a source for this study.  I wish I had time to comment more on Sabine&#8217;s emission data used in the calcs.</p>
<p>Btw, it&#8217;s okay for you to use associations (or affliations) in your appeal to authority, but some how noting Kheshgi/Exxon in my A2A is disgarded or considered irrelevant.  It seems the left seems to get annoyed to hear about the oil giant&#8217;s contribution to co2 science and attribution studies.  Can&#8217;t bring themselves to credit those that oppose.</p>
<p>Anyway, this does not discredit the study, but Sabine notes the limitations of the data and acknowledges that much still needs to be learned:</p>
<p>&#8220;(T)here are no direct measurements or proxies that give us accurate oceanic carbon distributions before the industrial revolution. Therefore, we must rely on a back-calculation approach that has a number of assumptions. The limitations of the technique, including the potential impacts of global warming, have been thoroughly discussed in the literature and are an area of active research&#8230;&#8221; and so on.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;d like to think Richard Alley would take offense to you smearing a geologist!!! haha.</p>
<p>this may be brief and disjointed but it&#8217;s the best i can do in a few moments.<br />
no time to address Segalstad&#8217;s pov.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/22/leading-geologist-has-rocks-in-his-head/#comment-4809</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't trivialize Kheshgi -- I don't think your point is germane.  ExxonMobil is the biggest funder of nonscientific disinformation on climate.  I never doubted that occasionally do valid research.  The point of this article is that the carbon sinks maybe saturating, which leaves us even less time to act on global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trivialize Kheshgi &#8212; I don&#8217;t think your point is germane.  ExxonMobil is the biggest funder of nonscientific disinformation on climate.  I never doubted that occasionally do valid research.  The point of this article is that the carbon sinks maybe saturating, which leaves us even less time to act on global warming.</p>
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