Comments on: Fatally Flawed Attack on Renewables by Ausubel http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:18:00 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Dan http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-34174 Dan Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:14:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-34174 Emilio, (@ 09/09/07) I guess you haven't read Paul Ehrlich's "The Population Bomb" from the 1970's. He predicted calamity, due to explosive growth, by the year 2000, if not sooner. Guess he was wrong - and he hasn't apologized for his error, either. He, like so many who attempt to predict the future and declare what steps "others" should take, rarely are called to make those same sacrifices (in his case, literally) that they implore others (usually the impoverished of developing nations) to take. That might be called being a hypocrite. Emilio, (@ 09/09/07) I guess you haven’t read Paul Ehrlich’s “The Population Bomb” from the 1970’s. He predicted calamity, due to explosive growth, by the year 2000, if not sooner. Guess he was wrong – and he hasn’t apologized for his error, either. He, like so many who attempt to predict the future and declare what steps “others” should take, rarely are called to make those same sacrifices (in his case, literally) that they implore others (usually the impoverished of developing nations) to take. That might be called being a hypocrite.

]]> By: Emilio Rey http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-5573 Emilio Rey Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:26:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-5573 One important question is related to overpopulation of the planet. Measures must be taken as soon as possible to keep control on global population to avoid the increase of the the contamination on the atmophere, oceans and rivers. One important question is related to overpopulation of the planet. Measures must be taken as soon as possible to keep control on global population to avoid the increase of the the contamination on the atmophere, oceans and rivers.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4846 Joe Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:11:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4846 Yes, butanol is quite interesting stuff. Yes, butanol is quite interesting stuff.

]]> By: William Dryden http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4840 William Dryden Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:27:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4840 I cna't type. The link is: www.butanol.com I cna’t type. The link is: http://www.butanol.com

]]> By: William Dryden http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4839 William Dryden Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:26:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4839 say butanol not ethanol. The energy yield is 42% higher than ethanol. www,butanol.com say butanol not ethanol. The energy yield is 42% higher than ethanol. www,butanol.com

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4834 Dano Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:15:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4834 What we forget to think about with solar is that... wait... Wait... we have roofs. We don't need 10,000 new square miles. They are already there, in spades. Best, D What we forget to think about with solar is that…

wait…

Wait…

we have roofs.

We don’t need 10,000 new square miles. They are already there, in spades.

Best,

D

]]> By: Paul http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4831 Paul Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:59:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4831 Given what's happened with carbon, using hydrogen for power could have unintended consequences. Is decarbonization all but inevitable. I think there is a difference between greens and climates about priorities and directions. Given what’s happened with carbon, using hydrogen for power could have unintended consequences. Is decarbonization all but inevitable. I think there is a difference between greens and climates about priorities and directions.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4827 Joe Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:47:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4827 Interesting. Yes, if sequestation works, then biomass gasification or coal-biomass gasification with CCS gives you negative carbon electicity. Interesting. Yes, if sequestation works, then biomass gasification or coal-biomass gasification with CCS gives you negative carbon electicity.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4826 Earl Killian Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:22:31 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/25/fatally-flawed-attack-on-renewables-by-ausubel/#comment-4826 To emphasize the point made above "the energy carrier of the future is electricity" consider that even biomass might be better used to produce electricity than liquid fuel. For example, in the supplementary materials to Tilman's Science article Carbon-Negative Biofuels from Low-Input High-Diversity Grassland Biomass: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/314/5805/1598 Table S3 shows that the best GHG-reduction comes from producing electricity from the biomass (10,088), instead of ethanol (6,164) or synfuel (9,626). (Numbers are kg CO2e / ha) To emphasize the point made above “the energy carrier of the future is electricity” consider that even biomass might be better used to produce electricity than liquid fuel. For example, in the supplementary materials to Tilman’s Science article Carbon-Negative Biofuels from Low-Input High-Diversity Grassland Biomass:
http://www.sciencemag.org/ cgi/ content/ abstract/ 314/ 5805/ 1598
Table S3 shows that the best GHG-reduction comes from producing electricity from the biomass (10,088), instead of ethanol (6,164) or synfuel (9,626).
(Numbers are kg CO2e / ha)

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