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	<title>Comments on: Is The Chevy Volt Just More GM Greenwashing?</title>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they&#039;re clearly betting the Volt will _fail_ 

to markedly reduce their mpg average by pushing back this bill. wtf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they&#8217;re clearly betting the Volt will _fail_ </p>
<p>to markedly reduce their mpg average by pushing back this bill. wtf?</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let me get this straight....
they&#039;re using money they could otherwise spend to make the bill a non-issue for them to lobby on a bill, and in the process, arguing the bill they&#039;re squandering their R&amp;D dollars from by funneling it into lobbying against this bill... is a bad bill... because it would funnel money away from... R&amp;D to lower the mpg... because it would require... R&amp;D... to do this?

huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let me get this straight&#8230;.<br />
they&#8217;re using money they could otherwise spend to make the bill a non-issue for them to lobby on a bill, and in the process, arguing the bill they&#8217;re squandering their R&amp;D dollars from by funneling it into lobbying against this bill&#8230; is a bad bill&#8230; because it would funnel money away from&#8230; R&amp;D to lower the mpg&#8230; because it would require&#8230; R&amp;D&#8230; to do this?</p>
<p>huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Rizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Rizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be surprised if we get new CAFE standards, and then oil consumption doesn&#039;t go down a lot. People will drive more in a car that gets good mileage. Same thing with more energy efficient houses; improve efficiency standards, and people will buy bigger houses and set the thermostat to a more comfortable setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if we get new CAFE standards, and then oil consumption doesn&#8217;t go down a lot. People will drive more in a car that gets good mileage. Same thing with more energy efficient houses; improve efficiency standards, and people will buy bigger houses and set the thermostat to a more comfortable setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM does seem to want to have it both ways. I believe the company is trying to get the Volt to market quickly. But it won&#039;t acknowledge the implications of this car.

The Detroit Free press has a story that backs up Joe Romm and the Wall Street Journal report cited: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070727/BUSINESS01/707270345

To which I had the same general response as Lou Grinzo: I posted:

it&#039;s ironic that GM points to the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt as a placeholder for future technologies and therefore somehow as an argument why 35MPG isn&#039;t possible by 2018. This is a car GM hopes to have in production as early as 2010.

With Toyota saying that it will have hybrid options for its whole line in a few years, and its entire fleet mostly hybrids by 2020, and Ford starting to come around on plug-in hybrids. the whole industry could significantly exceed 35MPG within 10 years.

-- Felix Kramer, Founder, The California Cars Initiative (CalCars.org)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM does seem to want to have it both ways. I believe the company is trying to get the Volt to market quickly. But it won&#8217;t acknowledge the implications of this car.</p>
<p>The Detroit Free press has a story that backs up Joe Romm and the Wall Street Journal report cited: <a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070727/BUSINESS01/707270345" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>apps/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>pbcs.dll/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article?AID=/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>20070727/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>BUSINESS01/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>707270345</a></p>
<p>To which I had the same general response as Lou Grinzo: I posted:</p>
<p>it&#8217;s ironic that GM points to the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt as a placeholder for future technologies and therefore somehow as an argument why 35MPG isn&#8217;t possible by 2018. This is a car GM hopes to have in production as early as 2010.</p>
<p>With Toyota saying that it will have hybrid options for its whole line in a few years, and its entire fleet mostly hybrids by 2020, and Ford starting to come around on plug-in hybrids. the whole industry could significantly exceed 35MPG within 10 years.</p>
<p>&#8211; Felix Kramer, Founder, The California Cars Initiative (CalCars.org)</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/07/27/is-the-chevy-volt-more-gm-greenwashing/#comment-4838</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Grinzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one question for the Big Three: If plug-ins are &quot;the&quot; answer and inevitable and being developed as quickly as possible, then why would they object to higher CAFE standards that plug-ins would easily leap past?

If it&#039;s a short-term concern, then surely they would be willing to sign on to a plan that says the CAFE standards stay the same for the next 3 or 4 years, to give the companies time to get PHEV&#039;s to market, then rise much more dramatically than anything planned today.  Unless, of course, they&#039;re just blowing green smoke...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one question for the Big Three: If plug-ins are &#8220;the&#8221; answer and inevitable and being developed as quickly as possible, then why would they object to higher CAFE standards that plug-ins would easily leap past?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a short-term concern, then surely they would be willing to sign on to a plan that says the CAFE standards stay the same for the next 3 or 4 years, to give the companies time to get PHEV&#8217;s to market, then rise much more dramatically than anything planned today.  Unless, of course, they&#8217;re just blowing green smoke&#8230;</p>
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