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		<title>By: Jim Prall</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5096</link>
		<author>Jim Prall</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've met some real climatologists here at Univ. of Toronto, and I can attest that our atmospheric physics prof, Kim Strong, has indeed "put on winter clothes" and traveled to the Canadian arctic many times to set up and maintain instruments and releasing balloon sondes, taking direct measurements of the atmosphere, solar radiation, IR, etc. 
On her home page there are nice photos of her and her group in winter clothes working in the arctic, as well as in blue bunny suits and hair nets in the clean room assembling satellites to "measure what is really happening outside." I don't know if they've been through any swamps per se. And of course once satellites are orbiting, the analysis of their output does tend to take place on large computers in air-conditioned offices. Should we get laptops and connect remotely from the swamp to improve the analysis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met some real climatologists here at Univ. of Toronto, and I can attest that our atmospheric physics prof, Kim Strong, has indeed &#8220;put on winter clothes&#8221; and traveled to the Canadian arctic many times to set up and maintain instruments and releasing balloon sondes, taking direct measurements of the atmosphere, solar radiation, IR, etc.<br />
On her home page there are nice photos of her and her group in winter clothes working in the arctic, as well as in blue bunny suits and hair nets in the clean room assembling satellites to &#8220;measure what is really happening outside.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;ve been through any swamps per se. And of course once satellites are orbiting, the analysis of their output does tend to take place on large computers in air-conditioned offices. Should we get laptops and connect remotely from the swamp to improve the analysis?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Prall</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5097</link>
		<author>Jim Prall</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oops, forgot to include the link to Prof. Strong's page, with the photos in winter clothes:

http://www.atmosp.physics.utoronto.ca/people/strong/strong.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to include the link to Prof. Strong&#8217;s page, with the photos in winter clothes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atmosp.physics.utoronto.ca/people/strong/strong.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atmosp.physics.utoronto.ca/people/strong/strong.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5098</link>
		<author>greg</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've got a nitpick that just happens to coincide with reading this post.  It is becoming increasingly common for discussions of climate change to include the risks of "feedbacks."  This trend is a good thing, but is incompletely phrased.  The risk, of course, is from POSITIVE feedback.  The term feedback could (as it often does in biological systems) refer to negative feedback, in which some trend triggers a reaction that tends to reduce the original trend.  There may in fact be significant negative feedback mechanisms in climate, and we ought to more specifically communicate about the risky type of climate feedbacks by always referring to them as "positive feedbacks."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a nitpick that just happens to coincide with reading this post.  It is becoming increasingly common for discussions of climate change to include the risks of &#8220;feedbacks.&#8221;  This trend is a good thing, but is incompletely phrased.  The risk, of course, is from POSITIVE feedback.  The term feedback could (as it often does in biological systems) refer to negative feedback, in which some trend triggers a reaction that tends to reduce the original trend.  There may in fact be significant negative feedback mechanisms in climate, and we ought to more specifically communicate about the risky type of climate feedbacks by always referring to them as &#8220;positive feedbacks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5099</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am using "amplifying feedback" instead of "positive feedback" because I have been told that the phrase "positive feedback" with its positive connotations is generally confusing to many.  But I agree that one should always strive to be clear on this point.

I do believe, however, that the jury is pretty much back in on whether the positive feedbacks dominate the negative ones -- they do.  Indeed negative feedbacks seem to be quite scarce, whereas the positive feedbacks -- especially the albedo and the tundra -- are quite scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using &#8220;amplifying feedback&#8221; instead of &#8220;positive feedback&#8221; because I have been told that the phrase &#8220;positive feedback&#8221; with its positive connotations is generally confusing to many.  But I agree that one should always strive to be clear on this point.</p>
<p>I do believe, however, that the jury is pretty much back in on whether the positive feedbacks dominate the negative ones &#8212; they do.  Indeed negative feedbacks seem to be quite scarce, whereas the positive feedbacks &#8212; especially the albedo and the tundra &#8212; are quite scary.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5109</link>
		<author>greg</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is the recent research about boreal sphagnum uptaking more CO2 in a warming world any cause for "comfort" as a possible negative feedback?  

I agree that negative feedbacks will prove insignificant by comparison to positive feedbacks, and should not be cited as excuses for inaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the recent research about boreal sphagnum uptaking more CO2 in a warming world any cause for &#8220;comfort&#8221; as a possible negative feedback?  </p>
<p>I agree that negative feedbacks will prove insignificant by comparison to positive feedbacks, and should not be cited as excuses for inaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5110</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You sure about that?  My google search turned up
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2120/is_1_80/ai_53870320/pg_1
which is no cause for comfort.
Do you have a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure about that?  My google search turned up<br />
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2120/is_1_80/ai_53870320/pg_1" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>p/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>articles/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>mi_m2120/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>is_1_80/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ai_53870320/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>pg_1</a><br />
which is no cause for comfort.<br />
Do you have a link?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5143</link>
		<author>Chris</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5143</guid>
					<description>Freeman Dyson wrote one of the best memoirs about being a scientist: _Disturbing the Universe_. Calling him a crackpot does him a disservice. Though I do think he is most likely wrong about global warming. 

Reading about his work for the RAF during World War II is just heartbreaking.  He told about his valiant but futile attempts to enlarge the escape hatches on the British Lancaster bombers just another inch or two to allow easier egress if shot down. Had the authorities listened they could have saved thousands of British airman lives. He also tried to get them to ditch the turret guns on the Lancasters which would have made them faster and more maneuverable which would have also saved lives.

His book also introduced me to the great physicist Richard Feynman. I have not read Dyson's essay but when I read he was on the global warming skeptic side of the fence (not a denier like Crichton) I was disappointed. I thought, well, he's outside the area of his expertise. Dyson has an impressive body of work. But like any scientist he can be wrong. That is the defining characteristic of any scientist is knowing that you could be wrong. His writing taught me the value of uncertainty, though Feynman's taught me how hard it is not to fool yourself. He is the kind of global warming skeptic/critic you want to deal with not people like Michael Crichton. Yes, the deniers will welcome Dyson with open arms as a useful tool until they are ready to discard him.

I would agree that Freeman Dyson is most likely wrong, but I have not read the essay yet. So I cannot dismiss him outright. He may have some valid points. I know as a layman I am satisfied with the evidence that the current global warming is anthropogenic and that we must do what we can to mitigate it. 

One final note. Project Orion is technically feasible (it was demonstrated with conventional explosives on a test rocket). It may be impractical but it is not absurd. It's value is that it gets us to think about other ways of propelling spacecraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman Dyson wrote one of the best memoirs about being a scientist: _Disturbing the Universe_. Calling him a crackpot does him a disservice. Though I do think he is most likely wrong about global warming. </p>
<p>Reading about his work for the RAF during World War II is just heartbreaking.  He told about his valiant but futile attempts to enlarge the escape hatches on the British Lancaster bombers just another inch or two to allow easier egress if shot down. Had the authorities listened they could have saved thousands of British airman lives. He also tried to get them to ditch the turret guns on the Lancasters which would have made them faster and more maneuverable which would have also saved lives.</p>
<p>His book also introduced me to the great physicist Richard Feynman. I have not read Dyson&#8217;s essay but when I read he was on the global warming skeptic side of the fence (not a denier like Crichton) I was disappointed. I thought, well, he&#8217;s outside the area of his expertise. Dyson has an impressive body of work. But like any scientist he can be wrong. That is the defining characteristic of any scientist is knowing that you could be wrong. His writing taught me the value of uncertainty, though Feynman&#8217;s taught me how hard it is not to fool yourself. He is the kind of global warming skeptic/critic you want to deal with not people like Michael Crichton. Yes, the deniers will welcome Dyson with open arms as a useful tool until they are ready to discard him.</p>
<p>I would agree that Freeman Dyson is most likely wrong, but I have not read the essay yet. So I cannot dismiss him outright. He may have some valid points. I know as a layman I am satisfied with the evidence that the current global warming is anthropogenic and that we must do what we can to mitigate it. </p>
<p>One final note. Project Orion is technically feasible (it was demonstrated with conventional explosives on a test rocket). It may be impractical but it is not absurd. It&#8217;s value is that it gets us to think about other ways of propelling spacecraft.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-5733</link>
		<author>shane</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've read Dyson's article that, once you get past the cynical tone, raises some unanswered questions about climate change.  He does not dispute the fact that temperatures are increasing.  Where he does disagree with the near-hysteria of the "though shalt not disagree" global warming mafia is on *causality*.  I recommend you check out Prof. Dyson's critique of the infrared transport characteristics of alleged "greenhouse gases" -- a fundamental premise in attributing climate change to mankind.  Or, if you prefer to take the "blue pill" and go on believing whatever you want to believe, keep listening to the former-politician-cum-businessman (whose preponderance of data in "An Inconvenient Truth" only accounts for the past 80 years).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Dyson&#8217;s article that, once you get past the cynical tone, raises some unanswered questions about climate change.  He does not dispute the fact that temperatures are increasing.  Where he does disagree with the near-hysteria of the &#8220;though shalt not disagree&#8221; global warming mafia is on *causality*.  I recommend you check out Prof. Dyson&#8217;s critique of the infrared transport characteristics of alleged &#8220;greenhouse gases&#8221; &#8212; a fundamental premise in attributing climate change to mankind.  Or, if you prefer to take the &#8220;blue pill&#8221; and go on believing whatever you want to believe, keep listening to the former-politician-cum-businessman (whose preponderance of data in &#8220;An Inconvenient Truth&#8221; only accounts for the past 80 years).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-7545</link>
		<author>Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you on the climate aspects, but as a small nitpick, the Orion nuclear powered rocket is not impractical at all. On the contrary, it has the highest performance of any propulsion system currently feasible with today's technology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on the climate aspects, but as a small nitpick, the Orion nuclear powered rocket is not impractical at all. On the contrary, it has the highest performance of any propulsion system currently feasible with today&#8217;s technology. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_</a>(nuclear_propulsion)</p>
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		<title>By: mack</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-7566</link>
		<author>mack</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have to wonder if Dyson is just a paid shill nowadays. I don't know of course, but the reasons I suspect this is because of statements like "These scientists just sit in their air-conditioned buildings with their theories and models..." I mean come on, does this sound at all like what an objective researcher says when giving his honest critique of a scientific theory? Simplistic assurances that "they" are just airheads who don't really know anything in the real world? Even if he's trying to explain something to a nontechnical audience, it's of course just BS. 

Statements like that (which Chrichton, Inhofe, etc. pretty much all use) are really just pre-packaged propaganda-type slogans developed by PR people. They're supposed to cause people to doubt climate change by making them think the people working on it are not "normal people" like them but more like Dr. Strangelove, isolated from the real world with  bizarre theories and models, or else just scumbags trying to con people out of money (i.e. scaring people "to get funding"). I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid by some think tank to say that. 

Personally I don't care what Dyson did in the past, he's now just a scumbag and a liar like Crichton. Most likely since it's well past the space race and NASA's golden age, with little chance for glory or fame for an engineer who wants to design trillion-dollar shuttles that blast off using nuclear weaponry, he wanted a little attention and chance to feel like he's relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder if Dyson is just a paid shill nowadays. I don&#8217;t know of course, but the reasons I suspect this is because of statements like &#8220;These scientists just sit in their air-conditioned buildings with their theories and models&#8230;&#8221; I mean come on, does this sound at all like what an objective researcher says when giving his honest critique of a scientific theory? Simplistic assurances that &#8220;they&#8221; are just airheads who don&#8217;t really know anything in the real world? Even if he&#8217;s trying to explain something to a nontechnical audience, it&#8217;s of course just BS. </p>
<p>Statements like that (which Chrichton, Inhofe, etc. pretty much all use) are really just pre-packaged propaganda-type slogans developed by PR people. They&#8217;re supposed to cause people to doubt climate change by making them think the people working on it are not &#8220;normal people&#8221; like them but more like Dr. Strangelove, isolated from the real world with  bizarre theories and models, or else just scumbags trying to con people out of money (i.e. scaring people &#8220;to get funding&#8221;). I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he was paid by some think tank to say that. </p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t care what Dyson did in the past, he&#8217;s now just a scumbag and a liar like Crichton. Most likely since it&#8217;s well past the space race and NASA&#8217;s golden age, with little chance for glory or fame for an engineer who wants to design trillion-dollar shuttles that blast off using nuclear weaponry, he wanted a little attention and chance to feel like he&#8217;s relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Simu</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-7571</link>
		<author>Johan Simu</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The attacks on Freeman Dysons character is quite tasteless. Dyson was one of the most prominent physicists of the 20th century and he deserved the nobel prize as much as Feynman, Schwinger and Tomonaga. He is without a doubt a great genius and has made countless contributions to science.

Orion was not a ridicilous project. Dyson was not alone in thinking orion was a feasible idea, you cant claim that Ted Taylor, the leading man of the project, was a theoretician with his head in the clouds. Orion was the brainchild of some of the greatest minds of the day and there is no doubt that it would have worked and would have been far superior to the current chemical rockets.

Whether or not Dysons critique against AGW is correct it still does not give anyone the right to badmouth him, show the man the respect he deserves and critique his arguments and not the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attacks on Freeman Dysons character is quite tasteless. Dyson was one of the most prominent physicists of the 20th century and he deserved the nobel prize as much as Feynman, Schwinger and Tomonaga. He is without a doubt a great genius and has made countless contributions to science.</p>
<p>Orion was not a ridicilous project. Dyson was not alone in thinking orion was a feasible idea, you cant claim that Ted Taylor, the leading man of the project, was a theoretician with his head in the clouds. Orion was the brainchild of some of the greatest minds of the day and there is no doubt that it would have worked and would have been far superior to the current chemical rockets.</p>
<p>Whether or not Dysons critique against AGW is correct it still does not give anyone the right to badmouth him, show the man the respect he deserves and critique his arguments and not the man.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/#comment-13419</link>
		<author>Bob Murphy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 22:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I have to wonder if Dyson is just a paid shill nowadays. I don’t know of course, but the reasons I suspect this is because of statements like “These scientists just sit in their air-conditioned buildings with their theories and models…” I mean come on, does this sound at all like what an objective researcher says when giving his honest critique of a scientific theory?&lt;/i&gt;

I wish Dyson hadn't said that too.  Just like I wish this article didn't repeatedly refer to Freeman Dyson as a crackpot, and simply repeat his idea for propulsion as self-evidently absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have to wonder if Dyson is just a paid shill nowadays. I don’t know of course, but the reasons I suspect this is because of statements like “These scientists just sit in their air-conditioned buildings with their theories and models…” I mean come on, does this sound at all like what an objective researcher says when giving his honest critique of a scientific theory?</i></p>
<p>I wish Dyson hadn&#8217;t said that too.  Just like I wish this article didn&#8217;t repeatedly refer to Freeman Dyson as a crackpot, and simply repeat his idea for propulsion as self-evidently absurd.</p>
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