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	<title>Comments on: Arctic ice loss is &#8220;stunning&#8221; &#8212; total loss possible by 2030, scientists warn</title>
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		<title>By: Sherrill Atherton</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-183846</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrill Atherton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It breaks my heart when I see Polar Bears standing on a little piece of Ice and them drowning,God put them here for a reason just like us and man is killing them.Global Warming but they dont give a damn.They drive their big fancy cars busses what ever anyway and dont think about Global warming and what&#039;s happing to our world.How selfish and sad.I want to cry and do for them.How would they like it standing on a thin piece of Ice trying to survive.Sherry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It breaks my heart when I see Polar Bears standing on a little piece of Ice and them drowning,God put them here for a reason just like us and man is killing them.Global Warming but they dont give a damn.They drive their big fancy cars busses what ever anyway and dont think about Global warming and what&#8217;s happing to our world.How selfish and sad.I want to cry and do for them.How would they like it standing on a thin piece of Ice trying to survive.Sherry</p>
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		<title>By: Hippygeerl93</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-78192</link>
		<dc:creator>Hippygeerl93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The polar bears ARE drowning!!!

Save all my polar bears! I Love polar bears! =]]]]]]]]

*Please donate to the polar charity.*
    *Hippygeerl93@hotmail.com*

Save All The Polar Bears!!!!!!

For that matter, all bears in general.

My polar bear is wet from drowning, drowwwwwninggg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polar bears ARE drowning!!!</p>
<p>Save all my polar bears! I Love polar bears! =]]]]]]]]</p>
<p>*Please donate to the polar charity.*<br />
    *Hippygeerl93@hotmail.com*</p>
<p>Save All The Polar Bears!!!!!!</p>
<p>For that matter, all bears in general.</p>
<p>My polar bear is wet from drowning, drowwwwwninggg.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooda</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-58390</link>
		<dc:creator>Pooda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite animal is a polar bear and I think that this is not something I would not like to hear because it is very sad.  I am 8 years old and I believe that we can slow down the global warming for polar bears by reducing, reusing, and recycling!  Polar bears are very cute and my mom likes them too.  I would like for these great bears to be around for my kids to enjoy.  That will be a while.   So we all need to listen and learn from the scientists to help these awesome animals and others.  I really hope that Polar bears do not go extinct!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite animal is a polar bear and I think that this is not something I would not like to hear because it is very sad.  I am 8 years old and I believe that we can slow down the global warming for polar bears by reducing, reusing, and recycling!  Polar bears are very cute and my mom likes them too.  I would like for these great bears to be around for my kids to enjoy.  That will be a while.   So we all need to listen and learn from the scientists to help these awesome animals and others.  I really hope that Polar bears do not go extinct!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shomeir</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-25429</link>
		<dc:creator>Shomeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with all the polar bear nonsense? Polar bears drown - this is live in the wild.  Welcome to the real world.  The increase in the polar bear population already endangers the seal population.  Unless we can teach polar bears to become vegetarians, we definitely do not want to disturb this cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with all the polar bear nonsense? Polar bears drown &#8211; this is live in the wild.  Welcome to the real world.  The increase in the polar bear population already endangers the seal population.  Unless we can teach polar bears to become vegetarians, we definitely do not want to disturb this cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-25176</link>
		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Shomeir (and other denialists..)

&quot;Why is Mars experiencing global warming..&quot;

Lets have a little look at Mercury and Venus instead. Venus is over twice the distance from the Sun, yet has a temperature 300-400 degrees hotter than Mercury. Why? - because of an incredible amount of CO2 in Venus atmosphere.
We&#039;ve known for over a hundred years that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas, and that more of it means a hotter planet (Arrhenius). Assuming you&#039;re not actually claiming that burning coal doesn&#039;t produce CO2 it should be completely obvious that we&#039;re now dramatically affecting the climate.


&quot;warming and cooling is on a 500 year cycle&quot;

...I&#039;m not sure exactly what delusions of grandeur is needed to think that you by yourself have turned out to understand climate better than all of the thousands of scientists who have spent their entire life studying the climate?


...and No, Mars is not experiencing global warming. See the realclimate link:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Shomeir (and other denialists..)</p>
<p>&#8220;Why is Mars experiencing global warming..&#8221;</p>
<p>Lets have a little look at Mercury and Venus instead. Venus is over twice the distance from the Sun, yet has a temperature 300-400 degrees hotter than Mercury. Why? &#8211; because of an incredible amount of CO2 in Venus atmosphere.<br />
We&#8217;ve known for over a hundred years that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas, and that more of it means a hotter planet (Arrhenius). Assuming you&#8217;re not actually claiming that burning coal doesn&#8217;t produce CO2 it should be completely obvious that we&#8217;re now dramatically affecting the climate.</p>
<p>&#8220;warming and cooling is on a 500 year cycle&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure exactly what delusions of grandeur is needed to think that you by yourself have turned out to understand climate better than all of the thousands of scientists who have spent their entire life studying the climate?</p>
<p>&#8230;and No, Mars is not experiencing global warming. See the realclimate link:<br />
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>index.php/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>archives/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2005/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>global-warming-on-mars/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
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		<title>By: Shomeir</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-19239</link>
		<dc:creator>Shomeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming and cooling is on a 500 year (approximate) cycle.  During the Medieval Warming Period, Greenland was actually green (hence the name GREENland) with a very long growing season.  During this same period the Sargasso Sea was warmer than it is today by 2 degrees celsius.  The sky is not falling Chicken Little! We are emerging from the cooling period which began with the &quot;Little Ice Age&quot; and we are entering the next warming cycle.  Alarmism is nothing new: In the 1960&#039;s it was Paul Ehrlich and his dire predictions of global over population -- and who can forget William and Paul Paddock&#039;s prediction of global famine.  When I was in high school in the 1960&#039;s we were taught that the next ice age could happen in the next 20 years.  Never happened! We have entered an era of alarmism and junk science based on pure unsubstatiated hypotheses.  Why is Mars experiencing global warming at the same time the we are experiencing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming and cooling is on a 500 year (approximate) cycle.  During the Medieval Warming Period, Greenland was actually green (hence the name GREENland) with a very long growing season.  During this same period the Sargasso Sea was warmer than it is today by 2 degrees celsius.  The sky is not falling Chicken Little! We are emerging from the cooling period which began with the &#8220;Little Ice Age&#8221; and we are entering the next warming cycle.  Alarmism is nothing new: In the 1960&#8217;s it was Paul Ehrlich and his dire predictions of global over population &#8212; and who can forget William and Paul Paddock&#8217;s prediction of global famine.  When I was in high school in the 1960&#8217;s we were taught that the next ice age could happen in the next 20 years.  Never happened! We have entered an era of alarmism and junk science based on pure unsubstatiated hypotheses.  Why is Mars experiencing global warming at the same time the we are experiencing it?</p>
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		<title>By: aym</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/arctic-ice-loss-is-stunning-total-loss-possible-by-2030-scientists-warn/#comment-18376</link>
		<dc:creator>aym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s sept 1, 2008,

Still a couple of weeks to go to the lowest ice levels and what happened?  The second lowest so far ice levels recorded and it still might break through.

I laughed at denialists claims over the return of the ice and nothing is wrong call.  Anyone who actually reads the reports would see that.  Yes some put the ice melt of 2007 to a confluence of events that combined but the word used was may.  Also in the reports the scientist who said that also said that it would probably make it much harder for subsequent years to keep winter formed ice.  Don&#039;t let personal bias remove the qualifications.

The Hadley center did not report a precipitous drop in temperatures.  What it did was a mathematic smoothing out of the data which made it look like there was.  This was explained on the site but of course overlooked by every denialist blog and repeated throughout the net.  It has spawned everything from NOAA being incompetent and crooked to the global temperature drop story of David&#039;s.

Every major internationally recognized scientific organization recognizes the validity of AGW as part of how climate works.  Even the petroleum geologists.  To say that it is just some scientists who work for the gov&#039;t shows a bias.  Their work is especially under review.  Who would have less bias, a scientist who works for private industry (which benefits more from the status quo) or the gov&#039;t.

A blog is not a place to find &quot;evidence&quot; to reinforce one&#039;s own views.  There are some that even present actual tidbits of real science to convince.  Take a look at the actual papers they quote and what do you see, massive misrepresentation or things taken out of context or worse, stuff that isn&#039;t peer reviewed or ever meant to be.  So take those so called facts and double check them, and not on sites that have obvious bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s sept 1, 2008,</p>
<p>Still a couple of weeks to go to the lowest ice levels and what happened?  The second lowest so far ice levels recorded and it still might break through.</p>
<p>I laughed at denialists claims over the return of the ice and nothing is wrong call.  Anyone who actually reads the reports would see that.  Yes some put the ice melt of 2007 to a confluence of events that combined but the word used was may.  Also in the reports the scientist who said that also said that it would probably make it much harder for subsequent years to keep winter formed ice.  Don&#8217;t let personal bias remove the qualifications.</p>
<p>The Hadley center did not report a precipitous drop in temperatures.  What it did was a mathematic smoothing out of the data which made it look like there was.  This was explained on the site but of course overlooked by every denialist blog and repeated throughout the net.  It has spawned everything from NOAA being incompetent and crooked to the global temperature drop story of David&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Every major internationally recognized scientific organization recognizes the validity of AGW as part of how climate works.  Even the petroleum geologists.  To say that it is just some scientists who work for the gov&#8217;t shows a bias.  Their work is especially under review.  Who would have less bias, a scientist who works for private industry (which benefits more from the status quo) or the gov&#8217;t.</p>
<p>A blog is not a place to find &#8220;evidence&#8221; to reinforce one&#8217;s own views.  There are some that even present actual tidbits of real science to convince.  Take a look at the actual papers they quote and what do you see, massive misrepresentation or things taken out of context or worse, stuff that isn&#8217;t peer reviewed or ever meant to be.  So take those so called facts and double check them, and not on sites that have obvious bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. South</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. South</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the claim that the &quot;North Pole Could Be Ice Free in 2008&quot; to be very interesting (see web article by CATHERINE BRAHIC at ABCnews.go.com or NewScientist.com). However, I am having difficulty finding a climate scientist who is willing to bet $1,000 that there will be less than 50,000 sq km of ice in the Arctic soon. Therefore, I am willing to give someone a $100 finders fee if they can find any climate modeler who is willing to bet with me that the Arctic will be ice-free by 2013. In fact, to make it more attractive, I am willing to bet that the extent of Arctic ice will not go lower than 50,000 sq km by the year 2013 (ice free does mean no ice, right?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the claim that the &#8220;North Pole Could Be Ice Free in 2008&#8243; to be very interesting (see web article by CATHERINE BRAHIC at ABCnews.go.com or NewScientist.com). However, I am having difficulty finding a climate scientist who is willing to bet $1,000 that there will be less than 50,000 sq km of ice in the Arctic soon. Therefore, I am willing to give someone a $100 finders fee if they can find any climate modeler who is willing to bet with me that the Arctic will be ice-free by 2013. In fact, to make it more attractive, I am willing to bet that the extent of Arctic ice will not go lower than 50,000 sq km by the year 2013 (ice free does mean no ice, right?).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you all need to stop saying, &quot;Scientists say this or that.&quot;  SOME scientists, many of them on government payrolls, push the doom and gloom.  Thousands do not, including many who have served on IPCC panels.

And to mention Gore&#039;s movie is laughable.  In spite of his years of training in climate science (?), his movie is chock full of errors.  But&#039;s he&#039;s done well for himself.  He now works for a corporation seeking to profit from the global warming scare.  At least he&#039;ll earn enough money to keep up his huge carbon footprint while he lectures the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you all need to stop saying, &#8220;Scientists say this or that.&#8221;  SOME scientists, many of them on government payrolls, push the doom and gloom.  Thousands do not, including many who have served on IPCC panels.</p>
<p>And to mention Gore&#8217;s movie is laughable.  In spite of his years of training in climate science (?), his movie is chock full of errors.  But&#8217;s he&#8217;s done well for himself.  He now works for a corporation seeking to profit from the global warming scare.  At least he&#8217;ll earn enough money to keep up his huge carbon footprint while he lectures the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the participants in this discussion are a perfect example of the hysteria and ignorance of the global warming fanatics.  The fellow who pointed out that the lost ice was due to unusal wind patterns and not global warming had it exactly right; he acurrately reflected what NASA said. 

And now we have a new report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that most of this lost ice has returned.  And the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction in England, usually a source of global warming scare stories, just reported that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously, after having stabilized over the past eight or so years.  This is the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, wiping out much of the warming over the past 100 years.  

And enough with the polar bears.  Their numbers have increased five fold in the last 50 years, and most bear populations are doing fine.  If some are starving, perhaps it&#039;s because a much greater number are competing for food.  But that&#039;s too logical an explanation for the fanatics who want to believe in apocalyptic warming, no matter what the facts say.  

You all need to be a little more skeptical of the scare stories of the special interests who feed this hysteria.  Question Authority people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the participants in this discussion are a perfect example of the hysteria and ignorance of the global warming fanatics.  The fellow who pointed out that the lost ice was due to unusal wind patterns and not global warming had it exactly right; he acurrately reflected what NASA said. </p>
<p>And now we have a new report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that most of this lost ice has returned.  And the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction in England, usually a source of global warming scare stories, just reported that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously, after having stabilized over the past eight or so years.  This is the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, wiping out much of the warming over the past 100 years.  </p>
<p>And enough with the polar bears.  Their numbers have increased five fold in the last 50 years, and most bear populations are doing fine.  If some are starving, perhaps it&#8217;s because a much greater number are competing for food.  But that&#8217;s too logical an explanation for the fanatics who want to believe in apocalyptic warming, no matter what the facts say.  </p>
<p>You all need to be a little more skeptical of the scare stories of the special interests who feed this hysteria.  Question Authority people.</p>
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