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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/11/liquid-coal-pentagon-water/#comment-15403</link>
		<author>E.M.Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nice post.  Like the chart.

One Big Feature of the military buying CTL fuels would be the dramatic reduction in the quantity of fuel they would need to burn up since they would no longer need to defend the entire middle east oil belt...

There is already a military oil reserve.  Look at the north shore of Alaska.  See the North Slope oil fields?  See all the stuff on the "right" (east) that's ANWAR.   Now look to the left (west). Most everything from there to the Pacific is the military oil reserve.  Lease sales are planned but tied up in haggling and lawsuits.  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Petroleum_Reserve 

Greens are trying to get it turned into another wildlife preserve (It's bigger than ANWAR).  I have a paranoid delusion that the Govt. has deliberately held off drilling it in an attempt to get ANWAR opened before folks realized there was all this OTHER oil ready to drill...  In my worst moments I fear them declaring ANWAR to be the military oil reserve - left undrilled until time of war - and announcing that the present reserve is open for commercial use...

The Big Problem:  As N. Slope oil declines, the pipeline from Alaska flows ever slower.  It's presently at about 1/2 capacity.  At some point it takes so much longer for the oil to flow that it can cool down and solidify before reaching the end.  At that point the pipeline is out of commission with no clear idea how to restart it.  I expect the "military reserve" to be tapped just in time to avoid this Big Freeze of the pipeline...

Frankly, I think it would be a great solution to build the CTL factories and stock about 6 months worth of coal at them, then release an equivalent quantity of the SPR oil and / or drill an equal portion of the military oil reserve.  That way we have the emergency "oil" supply via CTL IFF we need it.  It avoids the problems of actually using the coal, it keeps the nation supplied with a buffer of emergency fuel capacity, and it keeps the pipeline full and warm.

Problems?  Well... there is the small matter of dozens of billions of dollars of capital stock needing maintenance and providing no revenue but hey, the military and government are good at that ;-)  I know it will never happen, but it's a nice dream...

Per the inevitability of climate controls:  This all hinges on Solar Cycle 24 / 25.  They are predicted to cool the planet rather sharply (see last winters storms in China, snow in Israel, etc. and the dramatic return of the Arctic ice pack).  We will be well into the middle of these cycles before any carbon system can go anywhere and if it's snowing in Washington D.C. in June you can bet that the cap and trade will become "stuff it and flush"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  Like the chart.</p>
<p>One Big Feature of the military buying CTL fuels would be the dramatic reduction in the quantity of fuel they would need to burn up since they would no longer need to defend the entire middle east oil belt&#8230;</p>
<p>There is already a military oil reserve.  Look at the north shore of Alaska.  See the North Slope oil fields?  See all the stuff on the &#8220;right&#8221; (east) that&#8217;s ANWAR.   Now look to the left (west). Most everything from there to the Pacific is the military oil reserve.  Lease sales are planned but tied up in haggling and lawsuits.  See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Petroleum_Reserve" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wiki/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>National_Petroleum_Reserve</a> </p>
<p>Greens are trying to get it turned into another wildlife preserve (It&#8217;s bigger than ANWAR).  I have a paranoid delusion that the Govt. has deliberately held off drilling it in an attempt to get ANWAR opened before folks realized there was all this OTHER oil ready to drill&#8230;  In my worst moments I fear them declaring ANWAR to be the military oil reserve - left undrilled until time of war - and announcing that the present reserve is open for commercial use&#8230;</p>
<p>The Big Problem:  As N. Slope oil declines, the pipeline from Alaska flows ever slower.  It&#8217;s presently at about 1/2 capacity.  At some point it takes so much longer for the oil to flow that it can cool down and solidify before reaching the end.  At that point the pipeline is out of commission with no clear idea how to restart it.  I expect the &#8220;military reserve&#8221; to be tapped just in time to avoid this Big Freeze of the pipeline&#8230;</p>
<p>Frankly, I think it would be a great solution to build the CTL factories and stock about 6 months worth of coal at them, then release an equivalent quantity of the SPR oil and / or drill an equal portion of the military oil reserve.  That way we have the emergency &#8220;oil&#8221; supply via CTL IFF we need it.  It avoids the problems of actually using the coal, it keeps the nation supplied with a buffer of emergency fuel capacity, and it keeps the pipeline full and warm.</p>
<p>Problems?  Well&#8230; there is the small matter of dozens of billions of dollars of capital stock needing maintenance and providing no revenue but hey, the military and government are good at that <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know it will never happen, but it&#8217;s a nice dream&#8230;</p>
<p>Per the inevitability of climate controls:  This all hinges on Solar Cycle 24 / 25.  They are predicted to cool the planet rather sharply (see last winters storms in China, snow in Israel, etc. and the dramatic return of the Arctic ice pack).  We will be well into the middle of these cycles before any carbon system can go anywhere and if it&#8217;s snowing in Washington D.C. in June you can bet that the cap and trade will become &#8220;stuff it and flush&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/11/liquid-coal-pentagon-water/#comment-15436</link>
		<author>Earl Killian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>E.M. Smith, global warming theory does not depend on solar cycles.  You are posting disinformation.  Milankovitch cycles do influence climate, but the effect can be calculated from orbital dynamics, and we know what it was and will be (it will be fairly constant for a few thousand years).  See Figure S2 in James Hansen's "Target Atmospheric CO2: Where Should Humanity Aim? "</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.M. Smith, global warming theory does not depend on solar cycles.  You are posting disinformation.  Milankovitch cycles do influence climate, but the effect can be calculated from orbital dynamics, and we know what it was and will be (it will be fairly constant for a few thousand years).  See Figure S2 in James Hansen&#8217;s &#8220;Target Atmospheric CO2: Where Should Humanity Aim? &#8220;</p>
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