Comments on: Debunking Bjørn Lomborg — Part I, The Great Polar Bear Irony http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:53:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Rob http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-25438 Rob Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:04:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-25438 This post, and the associated comments, just seem to reinforce Lomborg's point: the global-warming crusaders are guilty of ignoring, inventing, or misrepresenting science to make their case and turn what should be a logical debate into political demagoguery. "Lomborg suffers from an inability to even imagine the possibility of thresholds or tipping points"? If there is compelling evidence for threshholds and tipping points then present it; calling anyone who doesn't share your view an idiot is not scientific debate. "For Lomborg, you simply can’t do both. You must pick one and you must pick the one that is easier to do now"? Lomborg has repeated said that you *can* do both. But you should start by doing the easy thing you can do now, and prioritize the harder, more expensive solutions in terms of what you'll have to give up to do it. There are good arguments for putting emission reduction first, but this posting does not bother with any of them. Calling Lomborg names does nothing to advance the cause. This post, and the associated comments, just seem to reinforce Lomborg’s point: the global-warming crusaders are guilty of ignoring, inventing, or misrepresenting science to make their case and turn what should be a logical debate into political demagoguery.

“Lomborg suffers from an inability to even imagine the possibility of thresholds or tipping points”?

If there is compelling evidence for threshholds and tipping points then present it; calling anyone who doesn’t share your view an idiot is not scientific debate.

“For Lomborg, you simply can’t do both. You must pick one and you must pick the one that is easier to do now”?

Lomborg has repeated said that you *can* do both. But you should start by doing the easy thing you can do now, and prioritize the harder, more expensive solutions in terms of what you’ll have to give up to do it.

There are good arguments for putting emission reduction first, but this posting does not bother with any of them. Calling Lomborg names does nothing to advance the cause.

]]> By: Cyril R. http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-18698 Cyril R. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:37:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-18698 Notanidiot here's a newsflash for you: you really are an idiot after all. Just because Lomborg argues that logical dialogue is too rare today doesn't strenghten his actual line of thinking. For example, he thinks that energy technologies develop in a vacuum by men and women in white coats. That's why he says dump the money in R&D and not in deployment. Which is of course absurd; technologies do not develop cost-effectively in laboratories and then magically sprout into reality. It just shows how little he understand energy developments and it's economics, both current and historic. But then it appears that most of Lomborg's arguments are made in a vacuum. He's totally disconnected from reality, making all kinds of assumptions and shopping for information to suit his agenda. I might write a book about him, call it "The Budding Anti-Scientist". Notanidiot here’s a newsflash for you: you really are an idiot after all.

Just because Lomborg argues that logical dialogue is too rare today doesn’t strenghten his actual line of thinking.

For example, he thinks that energy technologies develop in a vacuum by men and women in white coats. That’s why he says dump the money in R&D and not in deployment. Which is of course absurd; technologies do not develop cost-effectively in laboratories and then magically sprout into reality. It just shows how little he understand energy developments and it’s economics, both current and historic.

But then it appears that most of Lomborg’s arguments are made in a vacuum. He’s totally disconnected from reality, making all kinds of assumptions and shopping for information to suit his agenda. I might write a book about him, call it “The Budding Anti-Scientist”.

]]> By: notanidiot http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-13894 notanidiot Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:42:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-13894 Unfortunately for you, the vast majority of factual misrepresentations you accuse Lomborg of kind of miss the point completely. Please, read more carefully and understand the big picture. If what you are saying is correct-- and I am sorry, but I really don't think you are much of an expert on the subject-- then it wouldn't matter anyway because when it comes down to it, his arguments still hold. Congratulations on wasting time attempting to prevent logical dialogue, which, as of course you know, Lomborg points out as a serious issue today. Unfortunately for you, the vast majority of factual misrepresentations you accuse Lomborg of kind of miss the point completely. Please, read more carefully and understand the big picture. If what you are saying is correct– and I am sorry, but I really don’t think you are much of an expert on the subject– then it wouldn’t matter anyway because when it comes down to it, his arguments still hold.

Congratulations on wasting time attempting to prevent logical dialogue, which, as of course you know, Lomborg points out as a serious issue today.

]]> By: TPK123 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-13688 TPK123 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:09:33 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-13688 Do you wanna see some polar bears? Why dont you people check this offer from travelpack. Leaving soon. Do you wanna see some polar bears? Why dont you people check this offer from travelpack. Leaving soon.

]]> By: Kira http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5660 Kira Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:34:22 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5660 Yes, thanks for taking this on! Here at Environmental Defense we're mostly buzzing about his fundamental misunderstanding of the kind of risk we're facing. If you have any thoughts, we'd love to hear from you! http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/09/13/bjorn-lomborgs-fundamental-mistake/ Kira Yes, thanks for taking this on! Here at Environmental Defense we’re mostly buzzing about his fundamental misunderstanding of the kind of risk we’re facing.

If you have any thoughts, we’d love to hear from you!
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/ climate411/ 2007/ 09/ 13/ bjorn-lomborgs-fundamental-mistake/

Kira

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5652 Joe Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:06:03 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5652 Thanks, Ben, it is a good article. Thanks, Ben, it is a good article.

]]> By: Ben Hubbird http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5650 Ben Hubbird Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:18:30 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5650 Be sure to check Salon for <a href="http://www.salon.com/books/review/2007/08/29/cool_it/index.html" rel="nofollow">a thorough debunking of Lomborg</a> by Eban Goodstein, Professor of Economics at Lewis and Clark College and Director of <a href="http://www.focusthenation.org" rel="nofollow">Focus the Nation</a>, a nationwide teach-in and day of action on global warming solutions. Be sure to check Salon for a thorough debunking of Lomborg by Eban Goodstein, Professor of Economics at Lewis and Clark College and Director of Focus the Nation, a nationwide teach-in and day of action on global warming solutions.

]]> By: ana http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5648 ana Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:34:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/13/debunking-bjorn-lomborg-cool-it-polar-bears/#comment-5648 Thanks for taking on the task of a detailed debunk of Lomborg. It's very helpful! Thanks for taking on the task of a detailed debunk of Lomborg. It’s very helpful!

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