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	<title>Comments on: Tom Friedman is back &#8212; and he&#8217;s pessimistic</title>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/19/tom-friedman-global-warming/#comment-5735</link>
		<author>Lou Grinzo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A silver bullet would indeed be nice, but I can't imagine what it would be.  Our CO2 emissions are so large in volume and come from a broad enough range of fuel sources and applications that I can't see how there could be a single silver bullet.

The solution is to find the political will and foresight to use the silver BB's at our disposal.  I agree completely on plug-in hybrids (particularly the series variety) and cellulosic, but I think we'll also have to resort to a healthy dose of conservation.  In other words [insert dramatic music here] sacrifice.  Getting mainstreamers over the conceptual hump to accept even a little sacrifice could be the biggest challenge of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A silver bullet would indeed be nice, but I can&#8217;t imagine what it would be.  Our CO2 emissions are so large in volume and come from a broad enough range of fuel sources and applications that I can&#8217;t see how there could be a single silver bullet.</p>
<p>The solution is to find the political will and foresight to use the silver BB&#8217;s at our disposal.  I agree completely on plug-in hybrids (particularly the series variety) and cellulosic, but I think we&#8217;ll also have to resort to a healthy dose of conservation.  In other words [insert dramatic music here] sacrifice.  Getting mainstreamers over the conceptual hump to accept even a little sacrifice could be the biggest challenge of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Alter</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/19/tom-friedman-global-warming/#comment-5736</link>
		<author>Lloyd Alter</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>He makes me crazy. He doesn't mean to be but is acting like your classic delayer. The two points that everyone will take from this article are:

1) everything we do is irrelevant because it is subsumed by all of the growth in the rest of the world, -so why bother?

2) the only thing that will save us is a "transformational technological breakthrough in the energy space" (he likes sequestered coal and nukes,  who is in denial?) -so why bother? 

Thanks, Tom, for making all of your readers on Central Park West feel better about their four homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He makes me crazy. He doesn&#8217;t mean to be but is acting like your classic delayer. The two points that everyone will take from this article are:</p>
<p>1) everything we do is irrelevant because it is subsumed by all of the growth in the rest of the world, -so why bother?</p>
<p>2) the only thing that will save us is a &#8220;transformational technological breakthrough in the energy space&#8221; (he likes sequestered coal and nukes,  who is in denial?) -so why bother? </p>
<p>Thanks, Tom, for making all of your readers on Central Park West feel better about their four homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Barton</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/19/tom-friedman-global-warming/#comment-5737</link>
		<author>Charles Barton</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doha, like many development centers in the Pwesian gulf lies far to close to sea level for the comfort of far sighted investors.  How long man made islands and beach front developments will take to slip under the waves, but locally produced CO2 will only quicken the day of reckoning.  The Chinese are beginning to recognize the folly of expanding the use of fossil fuelsm but knowledge and awareness take ttime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doha, like many development centers in the Pwesian gulf lies far to close to sea level for the comfort of far sighted investors.  How long man made islands and beach front developments will take to slip under the waves, but locally produced CO2 will only quicken the day of reckoning.  The Chinese are beginning to recognize the folly of expanding the use of fossil fuelsm but knowledge and awareness take ttime.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/19/tom-friedman-global-warming/#comment-5738</link>
		<author>Earl Killian</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I tend to disagree with Tom Friedman often enough that I am pleased just to see that he's not playing the total fool like Alexander Cockburn.  For example, given what he has written, what it takes is someone to show him a path that will work, and he could just become an enthusiast for that path.

For example, Doha might fall on hard times in a post-petroleum world, except they might find that energy is still their lunch ticket, but instead of pumping it out of the ground, solar thermal electricity generation in the desert might be what keeps those skyscraper lights on.  (Whether Europe would like to buy that electricity is another matter, given the security issues.)  China has plenty of desert too for solar (though not in Dalian), and of course global warming is expanding those deserts all the time.  China also has a pretty large fleet (percentage wise) of alternative fuel vehicles.  They are experimenting during their growth spurt.  There is a better opportunity to lock in a change (e.g. EVs) in China during the spurt than perhaps here in the U.S.

I've yet to ever have the NYT print one of my letters to the editor, but if people submit enough "there is a way" letters, the editors are likely to pick one to print.  As Felix Kramer of CalCars likes to point out, when we needed to after Pearl Harbor, 'In a few short months, Detroit turned from producing Studebakers and Buicks to Sherman tanks and B-24 bombers. It was the engine for the "arsenal of democracy," and we couldn't have won the war without it.'  We are capable of enormous change when challenged.  The problem is that we don't feel challenged, despite 2005.08.29 (a far more important wakeup call than 2001.09.11).  How to generate that sense of urgency is the key question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to disagree with Tom Friedman often enough that I am pleased just to see that he&#8217;s not playing the total fool like Alexander Cockburn.  For example, given what he has written, what it takes is someone to show him a path that will work, and he could just become an enthusiast for that path.</p>
<p>For example, Doha might fall on hard times in a post-petroleum world, except they might find that energy is still their lunch ticket, but instead of pumping it out of the ground, solar thermal electricity generation in the desert might be what keeps those skyscraper lights on.  (Whether Europe would like to buy that electricity is another matter, given the security issues.)  China has plenty of desert too for solar (though not in Dalian), and of course global warming is expanding those deserts all the time.  China also has a pretty large fleet (percentage wise) of alternative fuel vehicles.  They are experimenting during their growth spurt.  There is a better opportunity to lock in a change (e.g. EVs) in China during the spurt than perhaps here in the U.S.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to ever have the NYT print one of my letters to the editor, but if people submit enough &#8220;there is a way&#8221; letters, the editors are likely to pick one to print.  As Felix Kramer of CalCars likes to point out, when we needed to after Pearl Harbor, &#8216;In a few short months, Detroit turned from producing Studebakers and Buicks to Sherman tanks and B-24 bombers. It was the engine for the &#8220;arsenal of democracy,&#8221; and we couldn&#8217;t have won the war without it.&#8217;  We are capable of enormous change when challenged.  The problem is that we don&#8217;t feel challenged, despite 2005.08.29 (a far more important wakeup call than 2001.09.11).  How to generate that sense of urgency is the key question.</p>
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		<title>By: For the Love of God</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/19/tom-friedman-global-warming/#comment-5739</link>
		<author>For the Love of God</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I do think it's interesting that during his profile of China, Tom fails to mention China's movement towards an all-electric public/ private transportation system.  It's been said the China has invested more money in overhauling it's transportation system than any other country in the world in order to address their pollution problems.  While China is continuing to develop, I think it's only fair to recognizes the many efforts they have also invested in to counter balance their urban growth.  

In fact, some of China's efforts are beginning to spill over to the United States as they are now beginning to export electric vehicles through an LA distributor/manufacturer called MILES Electric Vehicles.  Associated with company is also a very interesting non-profit called No Gas Required that helps students learn about the environment and teaches them how to take action on their campus through conventional and unconventional methods. nogasrequired.com is the website.  Very interesting.  Despite Tom's pessimism there are people continuing to make an effort despite the challenges.  This message is more powerful than Tom's persistent lazy whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think it&#8217;s interesting that during his profile of China, Tom fails to mention China&#8217;s movement towards an all-electric public/ private transportation system.  It&#8217;s been said the China has invested more money in overhauling it&#8217;s transportation system than any other country in the world in order to address their pollution problems.  While China is continuing to develop, I think it&#8217;s only fair to recognizes the many efforts they have also invested in to counter balance their urban growth.  </p>
<p>In fact, some of China&#8217;s efforts are beginning to spill over to the United States as they are now beginning to export electric vehicles through an LA distributor/manufacturer called MILES Electric Vehicles.  Associated with company is also a very interesting non-profit called No Gas Required that helps students learn about the environment and teaches them how to take action on their campus through conventional and unconventional methods. nogasrequired.com is the website.  Very interesting.  Despite Tom&#8217;s pessimism there are people continuing to make an effort despite the challenges.  This message is more powerful than Tom&#8217;s persistent lazy whining.</p>
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