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		<title>By: IANVS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5902</link>
		<dc:creator>IANVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Sorry again for the dupes, but the security of your website is compromised.  Need to fix ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Sorry again for the dupes, but the security of your website is compromised.  Need to fix ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: IANVS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5901</link>
		<dc:creator>IANVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Jim Hansen is another of the world&#039;s best climate scientists who are diligently researching and determing with increasing certainty and accuracy that AGW is causing the accelerating melting of glaciers and polar ice, rising sea-levels, worsening drought, and intensifying hurricanes.

And, despite your feeble strut &amp; fret upon the stage, the American public now knows the dangers and the urgency...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Nearly 60 percent said global warming is a &quot;serious problem,... 43 percent of voters feel global warming is a &quot;very serious&quot; problem.  Only 15 percent of those polled did not think global warming was a serious problem.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5708281,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Global warming of more concern&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Jim Hansen is another of the world&#8217;s best climate scientists who are diligently researching and determing with increasing certainty and accuracy that AGW is causing the accelerating melting of glaciers and polar ice, rising sea-levels, worsening drought, and intensifying hurricanes.</p>
<p>And, despite your feeble strut &amp; fret upon the stage, the American public now knows the dangers and the urgency&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Nearly 60 percent said global warming is a &#8220;serious problem,&#8230; 43 percent of voters feel global warming is a &#8220;very serious&#8221; problem.  Only 15 percent of those polled did not think global warming was a serious problem.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p> <a HREF="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5708281,00.html" rel="nofollow">Global warming of more concern</a></p>
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		<title>By: IANVS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5900</link>
		<dc:creator>IANVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

That was an even weaker attempt to stink up the board with your red herring.

Facts are, Jim Hansen is among the best of many climate scientists who are researching and discovering with increasing certainty and accuracy that AGW is causing accelerated melting of glaciers and sea ice, rising sea-levels, worsening drought &amp; wildfires, and growing intensity of hurricanes, etc.

And now the American public knows too...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Nearly 60 percent said global warming is a &quot;serious problem,&quot;... 43 percent of voters feel global warming is a &quot;very serious&quot; problem.  Only 15 percent of those polled did not think global warming was a serious problem.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5708281,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Global warming of more concern&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>That was an even weaker attempt to stink up the board with your red herring.</p>
<p>Facts are, Jim Hansen is among the best of many climate scientists who are researching and discovering with increasing certainty and accuracy that AGW is causing accelerated melting of glaciers and sea ice, rising sea-levels, worsening drought &amp; wildfires, and growing intensity of hurricanes, etc.</p>
<p>And now the American public knows too&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Nearly 60 percent said global warming is a &#8220;serious problem,&#8221;&#8230; 43 percent of voters feel global warming is a &#8220;very serious&#8221; problem.  Only 15 percent of those polled did not think global warming was a serious problem.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p> <a HREF="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5708281,00.html" rel="nofollow">Global warming of more concern</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5898</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aersols of 70s look like a red herring now.  Wanna bet what the CO2 studies of the current decade are going to look like in thirty years?  Hansen&#039;s model was used to back the aresol theory in the 70&#039;s.  He let it be used to do that.  His name was in that article.  If it was so wrong to use his model he should have said something.  The story made it all the way to Washington Post.

It is never OK to present extreme scenarios that you yourself admit are not objective.  That is the definition of manipulation.  Misrepresenting the facts to get a desired result you are afraid will not occur if things are presented objectively.  That should have been the end of him as a respected scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aersols of 70s look like a red herring now.  Wanna bet what the CO2 studies of the current decade are going to look like in thirty years?  Hansen&#8217;s model was used to back the aresol theory in the 70&#8217;s.  He let it be used to do that.  His name was in that article.  If it was so wrong to use his model he should have said something.  The story made it all the way to Washington Post.</p>
<p>It is never OK to present extreme scenarios that you yourself admit are not objective.  That is the definition of manipulation.  Misrepresenting the facts to get a desired result you are afraid will not occur if things are presented objectively.  That should have been the end of him as a respected scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5897</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom
#1 -- Nice try.  He was not part of a team that predicted global cooling, as he explained.  In science, apparently unlike whatever you do, you either have your name on work or you don&#039;t.  Back in the early 70s, it wasn&#039;t perfectly clear whether the aerosol cooling would beat out the GHG warming -- a few scientists thought aerosols would win.  Hansen wasn&#039;t one of them.  By the early 80s (even the late 70s for some) it was clear to all that aerosols were declining while GHGs were accelerating and that warming would win hands down.  The 1970s cooling stuff is a pure red herring.

#2 -- Not so nice try.  That is not what Hansen was saying.  You are willfully misinterpreting him.  The extreme scenarios were justified because of the possibility we would exploit a significant amount of unconventional oil, thus significantly raising GHGs and the possibility of extreme scenarios.

I support Hansen because he has been right longer than anyone else, and he has had the courage to speak out even though the Bush administration has tried to muffle him and the Deniers keep trying to swiftboat him.

Calling human-caused global warming a fairy tale is equivalent to saying that we didn&#039;t land on the moon.  Even Bush no longer says it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom<br />
#1 &#8212; Nice try.  He was not part of a team that predicted global cooling, as he explained.  In science, apparently unlike whatever you do, you either have your name on work or you don&#8217;t.  Back in the early 70s, it wasn&#8217;t perfectly clear whether the aerosol cooling would beat out the GHG warming &#8212; a few scientists thought aerosols would win.  Hansen wasn&#8217;t one of them.  By the early 80s (even the late 70s for some) it was clear to all that aerosols were declining while GHGs were accelerating and that warming would win hands down.  The 1970s cooling stuff is a pure red herring.</p>
<p>#2 &#8212; Not so nice try.  That is not what Hansen was saying.  You are willfully misinterpreting him.  The extreme scenarios were justified because of the possibility we would exploit a significant amount of unconventional oil, thus significantly raising GHGs and the possibility of extreme scenarios.</p>
<p>I support Hansen because he has been right longer than anyone else, and he has had the courage to speak out even though the Bush administration has tried to muffle him and the Deniers keep trying to swiftboat him.</p>
<p>Calling human-caused global warming a fairy tale is equivalent to saying that we didn&#8217;t land on the moon.  Even Bush no longer says it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5896</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was not the last time Hansen has demonstrated a lack of profesional responsibility:

  From www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/02,
In March of 2004, James Hanses wrote in Scientific American,
...Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue and energy sources such as  synfuels, shale oil and and tar sands were receiving strong consideration. Now, however, the need is for demonstrating objective climate forcing scenarios consistent with what is realistic under current conditions.

Note that he says that only now he is trying to be objective.  That means he was not being objective until now.  He was intentionally trying to manipulate the public.  That should have been the end of him right there and then.  A scientist should NEVER MANIPULATE ANYTHING.  HE MUST ALWAYS BE OBJECTIVE.

When can you believe someone who admits he was lying to you in the past when he only admits it after the fact?

Why do you guys support Hansen?  

Why do you want to believe this fairy tail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was not the last time Hansen has demonstrated a lack of profesional responsibility:</p>
<p>  From <a href="http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/02" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/02</a>,<br />
In March of 2004, James Hanses wrote in Scientific American,<br />
&#8230;Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue and energy sources such as  synfuels, shale oil and and tar sands were receiving strong consideration. Now, however, the need is for demonstrating objective climate forcing scenarios consistent with what is realistic under current conditions.</p>
<p>Note that he says that only now he is trying to be objective.  That means he was not being objective until now.  He was intentionally trying to manipulate the public.  That should have been the end of him right there and then.  A scientist should NEVER MANIPULATE ANYTHING.  HE MUST ALWAYS BE OBJECTIVE.</p>
<p>When can you believe someone who admits he was lying to you in the past when he only admits it after the fact?</p>
<p>Why do you guys support Hansen?  </p>
<p>Why do you want to believe this fairy tail?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5895</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not a red herring.  It is called professional responsibility.  He was either irresponsible them or he is trying to distance himself now from a very embarrasing result.  

I work in the field of computer simulations.  The first thing you do when you give a model to someone is you ask them what they intend to use it for to be sure it is setup appropriately for them.

Calling it a &quot;red herring&quot; does not make that fact go away.
Hansen was part of a team that in 1971 predicted global cooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a red herring.  It is called professional responsibility.  He was either irresponsible them or he is trying to distance himself now from a very embarrasing result.  </p>
<p>I work in the field of computer simulations.  The first thing you do when you give a model to someone is you ask them what they intend to use it for to be sure it is setup appropriately for them.</p>
<p>Calling it a &#8220;red herring&#8221; does not make that fact go away.<br />
Hansen was part of a team that in 1971 predicted global cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: IANVS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5894</link>
		<dc:creator>IANVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Alias Ron already threw that red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Alias Ron already threw that red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5892</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allowing this scattering function to be used by other people does not in any way make me responsible for a climate theory.

Sorry, that does not cut it with me. These people were his colleagues. It was his responsiblity to understand how they intended to use hismodel and be sure that it was used correctly. This was a big enough story in 1971 that he should have responded at the time if you disagreed with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allowing this scattering function to be used by other people does not in any way make me responsible for a climate theory.</p>
<p>Sorry, that does not cut it with me. These people were his colleagues. It was his responsiblity to understand how they intended to use hismodel and be sure that it was used correctly. This was a big enough story in 1971 that he should have responded at the time if you disagreed with it.</p>
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		<title>By: IANVS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/27/james-hansen-ice-age-myth/#comment-5887</link>
		<dc:creator>IANVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

And your quotes are like your science... &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wwe0105l.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;counterfeit&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>And your quotes are like your science&#8230; <a HREF="http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wwe0105l.jpg" rel="nofollow">counterfeit</a>.</p>
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