Comments on: Obama’s excellent energy and climate plan http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:01:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Mike http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6065 Mike Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:07:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6065 This is yet another reason I hope that Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. We desperately need the kind of leadership he brings to the table. While I'm a Clinton fan, I don't think we need another dynastic presidency (the Bush dynasty hasn't worked out so well for the country and the world...). Thanks for highlighting this, Joe. You're one of the people I rely on to point me to the best info out there on global warming and how to address it. This is yet another reason I hope that Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. We desperately need the kind of leadership he brings to the table. While I’m a Clinton fan, I don’t think we need another dynastic presidency (the Bush dynasty hasn’t worked out so well for the country and the world…).

Thanks for highlighting this, Joe. You’re one of the people I rely on to point me to the best info out there on global warming and how to address it.

]]> By: Capster http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6069 Capster Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:15:54 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6069 Joe, you don't support S&N's call for 300 billion in technology investments over 10 years, but you do support Obama's 150 billion, is that right? So is the issue with you and S&N just the size of the fund? As I've read it, while S&N don't think that all the other mandates, carbon trading, etc. will be enough to get us to 80% reduction by 2050, I don't think they are opposed to having them. It seems they just feel like what we have is not enough. Not sure I agree with them about that, but Obama's proposal seems to fall somewhere between what you would desire and what they would desire. Joe, you don’t support S&N’s call for 300 billion in technology investments over 10 years, but you do support Obama’s 150 billion, is that right? So is the issue with you and S&N just the size of the fund?

As I’ve read it, while S&N don’t think that all the other mandates, carbon trading, etc. will be enough to get us to 80% reduction by 2050, I don’t think they are opposed to having them. It seems they just feel like what we have is not enough. Not sure I agree with them about that, but Obama’s proposal seems to fall somewhere between what you would desire and what they would desire.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6074 Joe Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:13:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6074 I've never been opposed to spending the money. I just don't think it's the most important thing (or one of the three most important things) we need to do -- nor do I believe it will be as politically popular as they think. I have called S&N out on Obama's proposal -- we'll see what they say. I’ve never been opposed to spending the money. I just don’t think it’s the most important thing (or one of the three most important things) we need to do — nor do I believe it will be as politically popular as they think. I have called S&N out on Obama’s proposal — we’ll see what they say.

]]> By: aml http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6088 aml Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:00:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6088 i'm a big supporter of obama's but why in the hell does this plan (or at least the summary) completely ignore land use? why aren't we talking about rebuilding our cities? why isn't there anything about reviving the rails or building a new high-speed passenger rail system? i’m a big supporter of obama’s but why in the hell does this plan (or at least the summary) completely ignore land use? why aren’t we talking about rebuilding our cities? why isn’t there anything about reviving the rails or building a new high-speed passenger rail system?

]]> By: aml http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6089 aml Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:03:11 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-6089 ok, the HTML fact sheet at Grist does mention land use and our transport system. my bad. still the focus on rebuilding metropolitan infrastructure would be helpful from a rhetorical standpoint... ok, the HTML fact sheet at Grist does mention land use and our transport system. my bad. still the focus on rebuilding metropolitan infrastructure would be helpful from a rhetorical standpoint…

]]> By: robert http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-7852 robert Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:12:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-7852 Joe, DeSmog Blog has a different take on Obama: http://www.desmogblog.com/obama-named-smogmaker-of-2007 Do you have thoughts on their reservations... Joe,

DeSmog Blog has a different take on Obama:

http://www.desmogblog.com/obama-named-smogmaker-of-2007

Do you have thoughts on their reservations…

]]> By: D-pop http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-7874 D-pop Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:40:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-7874 Robert - DeSmog has joined the delayers. So what? Some wise person once said 'it only takes a few, dedicated people to change the world' or something like that I am paraphrasing. Barack Obama's plan is good one, my only worry is making it happen politically, with lawsuits tying it up, etc. We dont have the time for that. I think we really do need a world war II -style effort. American's have survived rationing before, how about rationing gasoline, energy use? Right out of the gate we can begin to see reductions. Take over some temporary control of some carbon-intensive industries and make the changes happen that need to happen. How about a temporary national sales tax, the money to go directly into developing clean energy and creating jobs? In world war II we re-tooled for a massive war effort, in 2008 we can start re-tooling for a massive attack on the problem of global warming. People grumbled at the beginning of the war too, but in the end the effort made America greater and the world a better place. Robert - DeSmog has joined the delayers. So what? Some wise person once said ‘it only takes a few, dedicated people to change the world’ or something like that I am paraphrasing.

Barack Obama’s plan is good one, my only worry is making it happen politically, with lawsuits tying it up, etc. We dont have the time for that. I think we really do need a world war II -style effort. American’s have survived rationing before, how about rationing gasoline, energy use? Right out of the gate we can begin to see reductions. Take over some temporary control of some carbon-intensive industries and make the changes happen that need to happen. How about a temporary national sales tax, the money to go directly into developing clean energy and creating jobs? In world war II we re-tooled for a massive war effort, in 2008 we can start re-tooling for a massive attack on the problem of global warming. People grumbled at the beginning of the war too, but in the end the effort made America greater and the world a better place.

]]> By: Margaret http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-13941 Margaret Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:08:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-13941 Where did everyone go? Its June. I stumbled on this conversation when looking for some information on Obama's committment to environmental issues. I would like to hear more if you're out there. Where did everyone go? Its June. I stumbled on this conversation when looking for some information on Obama’s committment to environmental issues. I would like to hear more if you’re out there.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-13947 Joe Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:13:58 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-13947 Everyone has moved on to more recent posts! Everyone has moved on to more recent posts!

]]> By: Bobby Hanson http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-14908 Bobby Hanson Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:50:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/09/obamas-excellent-energy-and-climate-plan/#comment-14908 nuclear power looks to me like part of the answer to our energy problem but not how mccain and the republicans think. we can use wind, solar and hydro power supplies of energy as well. the key fuel to create is hydrogen. It is know fesable to have hydrogen power our existing infrustructure. BMW converted a a stock gasoline engine to run off hydrogen or gasoline (the BMW hydrogen 7) with minor modification. all vehicles are capable of being run off hydrogen. It is possible that all combustion engins can be converted to run on hydrogen. however it is better to run on electric motors like the honda idea that uses hydrogen to produce electricity to run thier electric motor in the Honda FCX clarity available know on lease. I see these 2 idea as a long term and short term fix to the energy crisis. the BMw idea can be done now on our existing infrustructure that runs primerly on gas and we can slowly upgrade our infrustructure over time to primerly run on electricity from hydrogen like hondas plan. summary of production 1)use are nuclear power plants, solar energy, hydro plants, wind mills to produce electricity + 2) use sea water which is free. Introduce it to electricity produced from our renewable sources listed above (electrolosis takes place) this create pure liquide hydrogen - fuel for our vehicles and fuel to heat our homes if you dont have central air powered by electricity + 3) liquid hydrogen can be turned into electricity by way of fuel cell- power for our homes * short term solution- can be done in the next few years* some National Hydrogen Association companies are projecting that they can produce and deliver hydrogen economically to fueling stations at costs as low as $1.20/gallon After adding the average US highway taxes (federal and state) of $0.43/gallon thats a cost of $1.63 a gallon at the lowest price. *make hydrogen pumps available at every gas station * require auto makers to make available modifications to run gasoline engines properly on hydrogen at delerships and provide subsidies * federal goverment can provide subsidies to help fund modificatons on home oil heating systems to run on hydrogen *long term solution* 10 to 30 years down the line upgrade entire infrustucture to run primerally on hydrogen and electricity no gas no coal no fusoil fuels. this will resolute in our country having an unlimited supply of energy we would not have to conserve or buy over seas our goverment would profit from taxes as usual, energy companies would still make their profits not as much as they do now but they will make a good amount and we the poeple would have a set cheap price for fuel uneffectable by spiculation and supply and demand being we would have a unlimited supply of hydrogen + we would be the cleanest envirmental nation in the world with Zero emmision and serve as an example to other nations to help turn back global warming source of my information http://www.aaenvironment.com/nuhydro.htm http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/faqs.asp#cost nuclear power looks to me like part of the answer to our energy problem but not how mccain and the republicans think. we can use wind, solar and hydro power supplies of energy as well. the key fuel to create is hydrogen. It is know fesable to have hydrogen power our existing infrustructure. BMW converted a a stock gasoline engine to run off hydrogen or gasoline (the BMW hydrogen 7) with minor modification. all vehicles are capable of being run off hydrogen. It is possible that all combustion engins can be converted to run on hydrogen. however it is better to run on electric motors like the honda idea that uses hydrogen to produce electricity to run thier electric motor in the Honda FCX clarity available know on lease. I see these 2 idea as a long term and short term fix to the energy crisis. the BMw idea can be done now on our existing infrustructure that runs primerly on gas and we can slowly upgrade our infrustructure over time to primerly run on electricity from hydrogen like hondas plan.

summary of production

1)use are nuclear power plants, solar energy, hydro plants, wind mills to produce electricity

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2) use sea water which is free. Introduce it to electricity produced from our renewable sources listed above (electrolosis takes place) this create pure liquide hydrogen - fuel for our vehicles and fuel to heat our homes if you dont have central air powered by electricity

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3) liquid hydrogen can be turned into electricity by way of fuel cell- power for our homes

* short term solution- can be done in the next few years*

some National Hydrogen Association companies are projecting that they can produce and deliver hydrogen economically to fueling stations at costs as low as $1.20/gallon After adding the average US highway taxes (federal and state) of $0.43/gallon thats a cost of $1.63 a gallon at the lowest price. *make hydrogen pumps available at every gas station

* require auto makers to make available modifications to run gasoline engines properly on hydrogen at delerships and provide subsidies

* federal goverment can provide subsidies to help fund modificatons on home oil heating systems to run on hydrogen

*long term solution* 10 to 30 years down the line

upgrade entire infrustucture to run primerally on hydrogen and electricity no gas no coal no fusoil fuels. this will resolute in our country having an unlimited supply of energy we would not have to conserve or buy over seas our goverment would profit from taxes as usual, energy companies would still make their profits not as much as they do now but they will make a good amount and we the poeple would have a set cheap price for fuel uneffectable by spiculation and supply and demand being we would have a unlimited supply of hydrogen + we would be the cleanest envirmental nation in the world with Zero emmision and serve as an example to other nations to help turn back global warming

source of my information

http://www.aaenvironment.com/nuhydro.htm
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/faqs.asp#cost

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