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	<title>Comments on: The tar sands &#8212; Canada&#8217;s version of liquid coal</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-30181</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the increases in world population &amp; requirements for dwindling oil resources the development of the Canadian tar sands is a vital resource for world oil supply. In light of world views on development of the Canadian oil sands as a unnecessary increase in the carbon footprint for the oil produced, perhaps other more palatable approaches should be considered such as the use of nuclear energy in the processing of the tar sands. Just what Alberta needs, a second burgeoning industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the increases in world population &amp; requirements for dwindling oil resources the development of the Canadian tar sands is a vital resource for world oil supply. In light of world views on development of the Canadian oil sands as a unnecessary increase in the carbon footprint for the oil produced, perhaps other more palatable approaches should be considered such as the use of nuclear energy in the processing of the tar sands. Just what Alberta needs, a second burgeoning industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-28239</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey shortie learn how to spell . I would like to say that has anyone in this forum thought of away to come up with a energy source that is cheap and abundent enough for every one in the world to use ??? 

All you people love the internet . The plastic you use to type you free thoughts come form your dirty oil . Every plastic thing you own is made from oil . Oh I know lets not make things out of plastic any more and only use natural things like wood . Oh I guess we can&#039;t do that iether because we need trees too huh . Listen why don&#039;t you start by turning off lights that you don&#039;t need / Turn your thermastats down low and wear an extra sweater . Lobby your goverments and ask them to make a law to make buisnesses to turn of there lights at night . It&#039;s not just the tar sands its every bodie in the planet .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey shortie learn how to spell . I would like to say that has anyone in this forum thought of away to come up with a energy source that is cheap and abundent enough for every one in the world to use ??? </p>
<p>All you people love the internet . The plastic you use to type you free thoughts come form your dirty oil . Every plastic thing you own is made from oil . Oh I know lets not make things out of plastic any more and only use natural things like wood . Oh I guess we can&#8217;t do that iether because we need trees too huh . Listen why don&#8217;t you start by turning off lights that you don&#8217;t need / Turn your thermastats down low and wear an extra sweater . Lobby your goverments and ask them to make a law to make buisnesses to turn of there lights at night . It&#8217;s not just the tar sands its every bodie in the planet .</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-20576</link>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Job
interesting topic , I would like to read more on this topic and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riseintertrade.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steam Coal Suppliers&lt;/a&gt; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Job<br />
interesting topic , I would like to read more on this topic and <a href="http://www.riseintertrade.com/" rel="nofollow">Steam Coal Suppliers</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: shortie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-14337</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the whole tar sand thing is an outrage... its like people are talking money from our pockets when all alone it belongs to us workers and our familys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the whole tar sand thing is an outrage&#8230; its like people are talking money from our pockets when all alone it belongs to us workers and our familys.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-8226</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you repeat misleading information often enough does it become true?

The atom bomb idea was in the late 1950s or early 1960s. In that era engineers were talking about using the bombs to dig an alternative to the Panama Canal, cut new mountain passes and all kinds of other things engineers thought would be nifty if you had an explosive that could make real big holes in the ground. The rest is similarly exaggerated or leave out facts that cast a different light on the issue.
 
I suppose you are actually a shill for polluters. If you act deceptively, it will cast doubt on legitimate concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you repeat misleading information often enough does it become true?</p>
<p>The atom bomb idea was in the late 1950s or early 1960s. In that era engineers were talking about using the bombs to dig an alternative to the Panama Canal, cut new mountain passes and all kinds of other things engineers thought would be nifty if you had an explosive that could make real big holes in the ground. The rest is similarly exaggerated or leave out facts that cast a different light on the issue.</p>
<p>I suppose you are actually a shill for polluters. If you act deceptively, it will cast doubt on legitimate concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: unwisecanadian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-6111</link>
		<dc:creator>unwisecanadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there weren&#039;t buyers, it wouldn&#039;t be produced. Most of Canadians aren&#039;t too happy about this project. It&#039;s had a HUGE impact on shooting us vastly off course to hit our Kyoto targets. It&#039;s also causing pollution problems in neighbouring provinces and threatening water supplies. Development may slow because of these factors. There&#039;s more to this story than us being &quot;unwise&quot;. If Canada&#039;s Prime Minister weren&#039;t from Alberta, there might be more brakes put on tar sands development. As long as oil supplies are shrinking and the price keeps going up, that oil will be extracted and exported to whoever&#039;s willing to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there weren&#8217;t buyers, it wouldn&#8217;t be produced. Most of Canadians aren&#8217;t too happy about this project. It&#8217;s had a HUGE impact on shooting us vastly off course to hit our Kyoto targets. It&#8217;s also causing pollution problems in neighbouring provinces and threatening water supplies. Development may slow because of these factors. There&#8217;s more to this story than us being &#8220;unwise&#8221;. If Canada&#8217;s Prime Minister weren&#8217;t from Alberta, there might be more brakes put on tar sands development. As long as oil supplies are shrinking and the price keeps going up, that oil will be extracted and exported to whoever&#8217;s willing to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there weren&#039;t buyers, it wouldn&#039;t be produced. Most of Canadians aren&#039;t too happy about this project. It&#039;s had a HUGE impact on shooting us vastly off course to hit our Kyoto targets. It&#039;s also causing pollution problems in neighbouring provinces and threatening water supplies. Development may slow because of these factors. There&#039;s more to this story than us being &quot;unwise&quot;. If Canada&#039;s Prime Minister weren&#039;t from Alberta, there might be more brakes put on tar sands development. As long as oil supplies are shrinking and the price keeps going up, that oil will be extracted and exported to whoever&#039;s willing to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there weren&#8217;t buyers, it wouldn&#8217;t be produced. Most of Canadians aren&#8217;t too happy about this project. It&#8217;s had a HUGE impact on shooting us vastly off course to hit our Kyoto targets. It&#8217;s also causing pollution problems in neighbouring provinces and threatening water supplies. Development may slow because of these factors. There&#8217;s more to this story than us being &#8220;unwise&#8221;. If Canada&#8217;s Prime Minister weren&#8217;t from Alberta, there might be more brakes put on tar sands development. As long as oil supplies are shrinking and the price keeps going up, that oil will be extracted and exported to whoever&#8217;s willing to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: tidal</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/11/tar-sands-water-energy/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>tidal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a classic example of why we so desperately need a price on carbon - be it a tax or some sort of cap. So long as there is none (and none on the water degradation as well), then the economics are straightforward. The EROEI* is positive (about 110% to 120% if I recall my reading of those articles last month) and therefore you undertake production. (*Energy Return on Energy Investeed).

There is another decent/recent article in Macleans magazine here  http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20071008_110103_110103&amp;source=srch , which references an upcoming book on the subject: Stupid to the Last Drop: How Alberta is Bringing Environmental Armageddon to Canada (And Doesn&#039;t Seem to Care) http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Last-Drop-Environmental-Armageddon/dp/0676979130/ref=sr_1_1/104-4542983-7076760?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1192127232&amp;sr=8-1

Remarkably, the author claims that the province once seriously considered a plan to detonate an underground nuclear bomb to extract oil sands... I wonder what the EROEI was on that???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a classic example of why we so desperately need a price on carbon &#8211; be it a tax or some sort of cap. So long as there is none (and none on the water degradation as well), then the economics are straightforward. The EROEI* is positive (about 110% to 120% if I recall my reading of those articles last month) and therefore you undertake production. (*Energy Return on Energy Investeed).</p>
<p>There is another decent/recent article in Macleans magazine here  <a href="http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20071008_110103_110103&amp;source=srch" rel="nofollow">http://www.macleans.ca/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article.jsp?content=20071008_110103_110103&amp;source=srch</a> , which references an upcoming book on the subject: Stupid to the Last Drop: How Alberta is Bringing Environmental Armageddon to Canada (And Doesn&#8217;t Seem to Care) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Last-Drop-Environmental-Armageddon/dp/0676979130/ref=sr_1_1/104-4542983-7076760?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1192127232&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Stupid-Last-Drop-Environmental-Armageddon/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>dp/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>0676979130/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ref=sr_1_1/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>104-4542983-7076760?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1192127232&amp;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>Remarkably, the author claims that the province once seriously considered a plan to detonate an underground nuclear bomb to extract oil sands&#8230; I wonder what the EROEI was on that???</p>
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