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	<title>Comments on: Global warming and the California wildfires</title>
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		<title>By: Duke Story</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6331</link>
		<author>Duke Story</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In 1973, when I was in school as a chemistryand biology major we were being lectured about the coming Ice age.  At that time, I was employed part time as a fire fighter for the forest service.  We all volunteered to go to California to fight the largest fire that had ever hit that part of the world. No one blamed the fire on the Glaciation of the earth and global warming had not yet replaced the global manmade glaciation fad.   Now it is Global warming... we blamed the hurricanes on the GW and predicted more to come.  Since the Hurricanes have not been forth coming, we have to blame the fires on GW.  If this issue were any other "political or religion" type issue the whole thing would be thrown on the ash heap of history but we continue to perpetuate "man made" global warming and blame everything we can on the coming warming so that "someone" can scare the people of the earth into giving away more and more of their freedom to "some national or global regulatory entity".  Global warming may in fact be occurring but if it is we didn't have any thing to do with it and when the earth decides to cool itself we will not have anything to with that as well.  Lets focus on cleaning water, soil and air in the towns and cities we live in.  The global warming stuff will take care of itself.  We all should have concern for the people who are at risk in these fires.  Put global warming where it belongs, an idea and a theory that will be disproved or modified as the environment upon the Earth does what it has been doing for billions of years, going from HOT to COLD and then HOT again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1973, when I was in school as a chemistryand biology major we were being lectured about the coming Ice age.  At that time, I was employed part time as a fire fighter for the forest service.  We all volunteered to go to California to fight the largest fire that had ever hit that part of the world. No one blamed the fire on the Glaciation of the earth and global warming had not yet replaced the global manmade glaciation fad.   Now it is Global warming&#8230; we blamed the hurricanes on the GW and predicted more to come.  Since the Hurricanes have not been forth coming, we have to blame the fires on GW.  If this issue were any other &#8220;political or religion&#8221; type issue the whole thing would be thrown on the ash heap of history but we continue to perpetuate &#8220;man made&#8221; global warming and blame everything we can on the coming warming so that &#8220;someone&#8221; can scare the people of the earth into giving away more and more of their freedom to &#8220;some national or global regulatory entity&#8221;.  Global warming may in fact be occurring but if it is we didn&#8217;t have any thing to do with it and when the earth decides to cool itself we will not have anything to with that as well.  Lets focus on cleaning water, soil and air in the towns and cities we live in.  The global warming stuff will take care of itself.  We all should have concern for the people who are at risk in these fires.  Put global warming where it belongs, an idea and a theory that will be disproved or modified as the environment upon the Earth does what it has been doing for billions of years, going from HOT to COLD and then HOT again.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6333</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6333</guid>
					<description>Like Dracula, the global cooling myth can’t be killed, but if you want some good rebuttals, try this &lt;a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94" rel="nofollow"&gt;RealClimate overview post&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=363" rel="nofollow"&gt;this one too&lt;/a&gt;, as well as this excellent post on “&lt;a href="http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the ’70’s by scientists, in scientific journals?&lt;/a&gt;”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Dracula, the global cooling myth can’t be killed, but if you want some good rebuttals, try this <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94" rel="nofollow">RealClimate overview post</a> and <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=363" rel="nofollow">this one too</a>, as well as this excellent post on “<a href="http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/" rel="nofollow">Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the ’70’s by scientists, in scientific journals?</a>”</p>
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		<title>By: caerbannog</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6335</link>
		<author>caerbannog</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6335</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;
We all volunteered to go to California to fight the largest fire that had ever hit that part of the world. 
&lt;/i&gt;

As a lifelong Southern Californian, I remember the 1973 fire season.  It was capped by a 200,000 acre fire that burned from Newhall to Malibu.  But the '73 fire season pales in comparison to what we have seen here in recent years (namely the 2003 and 2007 seasons).   Factor in monstrous fires in other parts of California (Woodpecker, McNalley, Zaca fires etc), and it becomes clear that fire activity has increased greatly in recent years.

That single 1973 outlier is a very weak argument against the global-warming/wildfire connection, especially when you compare it with more recent fire seasons.</description>
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We all volunteered to go to California to fight the largest fire that had ever hit that part of the world.<br />
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<p>As a lifelong Southern Californian, I remember the 1973 fire season.  It was capped by a 200,000 acre fire that burned from Newhall to Malibu.  But the &#8216;73 fire season pales in comparison to what we have seen here in recent years (namely the 2003 and 2007 seasons).   Factor in monstrous fires in other parts of California (Woodpecker, McNalley, Zaca fires etc), and it becomes clear that fire activity has increased greatly in recent years.</p>
<p>That single 1973 outlier is a very weak argument against the global-warming/wildfire connection, especially when you compare it with more recent fire seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6341</link>
		<author>Jay Alt</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6341</guid>
					<description>Those who volunteered and made a career of it have an entirely different view:

Expert: Warming Climate Fuels Mega-Fires
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml

(...)&lt;i&gt;"&lt;b&gt;60 Minutes&lt;/b&gt; joined up with Tom Boatner, who after 30 years on the fire line, is now the chief of fire operations for the federal government. 

"A fire of this size and this intensity in this country would have been extremely rare 15, 20 years they're commonplace these days," Boatner says. 

"Ten years ago, if you had a 100,000 acre fire, you were talking about a huge fire. And if we had one or two of those a year, that was probably unusual. Now we talk about 200,000 acre fires like it's just another day at the office. It's been a huge change," he says. 

Asked what the biggest fires now are, Boatner says, "We’ve had, I believe, two fires this summer that have been over 500,000 acres, half a million acres, and one of those was over 600,000 acres." (. . . )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who volunteered and made a career of it have an entirely different view:</p>
<p>Expert: Warming Climate Fuels Mega-Fires<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>stories/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>18/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>60minutes/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>main3380176.shtml</a></p>
<p>(&#8230;)<i>&#8220;<b>60 Minutes</b> joined up with Tom Boatner, who after 30 years on the fire line, is now the chief of fire operations for the federal government. </p>
<p>&#8220;A fire of this size and this intensity in this country would have been extremely rare 15, 20 years they&#8217;re commonplace these days,&#8221; Boatner says. </p>
<p>&#8220;Ten years ago, if you had a 100,000 acre fire, you were talking about a huge fire. And if we had one or two of those a year, that was probably unusual. Now we talk about 200,000 acre fires like it&#8217;s just another day at the office. It&#8217;s been a huge change,&#8221; he says. </p>
<p>Asked what the biggest fires now are, Boatner says, &#8220;We’ve had, I believe, two fires this summer that have been over 500,000 acres, half a million acres, and one of those was over 600,000 acres.&#8221; (. . . )</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6342</link>
		<author>Dano</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6342</guid>
					<description>Joe, I'm glad to say we see eye to eye on this issue. 

What I'd like to say about the big fires is that I agree about the record and interpretation, but we should keep in mind the lessons from Elers Koch's &lt;i&gt;Forty Years a Forester&lt;/i&gt;: there were many big fires in the early 1900s, as big as this year. 

We just forget the lessons. We will always have fire.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I&#8217;m glad to say we see eye to eye on this issue. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to say about the big fires is that I agree about the record and interpretation, but we should keep in mind the lessons from Elers Koch&#8217;s <i>Forty Years a Forester</i>: there were many big fires in the early 1900s, as big as this year. </p>
<p>We just forget the lessons. We will always have fire.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: california</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6352</link>
		<author>california</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6352</guid>
					<description>Update on CLOSED ROADS,  traffic list for SAN DIEGO:
http://www.fox6.com/content/traffic/default.aspx

1 million fled fires? As the smoke clears, the numbers shrink ;
27-old arson suspect killed by cops, another arrested
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on CLOSED ROADS,  traffic list for SAN DIEGO:<br />
<a href="http://www.fox6.com/content/traffic/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.fox6.com/content/traffic/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>1 million fled fires? As the smoke clears, the numbers shrink ;<br />
27-old arson suspect killed by cops, another arrested<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/local/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6353</link>
		<author>David</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6353</guid>
					<description>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml

"Why are there more of these fires? Turns out the forest service is partly to blame with a policy it started 100 years ago.

The policy was to put out all fires immediately. "Because we so successfully fought fire and eliminated fire from this ecosystem for a hundred years, because we thought that was the right thing to do, we’ve allowed a huge buildup of fuel in these woods. So now, when the fires get going, there’s a lot more to burn than historically you would’ve seen in a forest like this," Boatner explains."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>stories/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>18/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>60minutes/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>main3380176.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Why are there more of these fires? Turns out the forest service is partly to blame with a policy it started 100 years ago.</p>
<p>The policy was to put out all fires immediately. &#8220;Because we so successfully fought fire and eliminated fire from this ecosystem for a hundred years, because we thought that was the right thing to do, we’ve allowed a huge buildup of fuel in these woods. So now, when the fires get going, there’s a lot more to burn than historically you would’ve seen in a forest like this,&#8221; Boatner explains.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6354</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6354</guid>
					<description>Yes, but the recent surge in wildfires is largely due to climate change.  As I noted, the analysis that Swetnam coathored with three Scripps researchers explicitly examined and then rejected the theory that land-use and fire-supression practices were the cause of the surge in wildfires since the mid-1980s.  They did this on the basis of WHERE the wildfires were occurring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the recent surge in wildfires is largely due to climate change.  As I noted, the analysis that Swetnam coathored with three Scripps researchers explicitly examined and then rejected the theory that land-use and fire-supression practices were the cause of the surge in wildfires since the mid-1980s.  They did this on the basis of WHERE the wildfires were occurring.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6356</link>
		<author>Ron</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6356</guid>
					<description>All that extra carbon dioxide in the air creates more arsonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that extra carbon dioxide in the air creates more arsonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6367</link>
		<author>Ron</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6367</guid>
					<description>Here's one that should be commented upon &#38; debunked by the Believers -

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20071024132139.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one that should be commented upon &amp; debunked by the Believers -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20071024132139.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessandmedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>articles/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>20071024132139.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6376</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6376</guid>
					<description>It is ironic, especially in light of the false information given here, that one of the two primary causes of the California wildfires was COOLING.  That's right - La Niña, which is COOLING of the Pacific, is what shifted the weather patterns and caused the drought we are experiencing that was one primary cause of these fires.  And despite the claims you've repeated, there is no sign that the La Niña/El Niño pattern is in any danger of freezing into a permanent La Niña and thus causing permanent drought here.  On the contrary, assuming global warming continues unabated, we will rather wind up with a permanent El Niño which will bring with it regular downpours, turning San Diego into a lush subtropical paradise.

I see you admit the last time things were this bad was 130 years ago.  Think about what that means for a second.  It was this bad BEFORE ANY POSSIBILITY OF ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE.  So your own admission is that it gets this bad 100% NATURALLY.  

Now I see you've already dismissed another of the real reasons for the catastrophic fires.  You say that someone (no doubt with an agenda) has dismissed the fact, the know, proven fact, that the fires we have are much worse because we've disrupted the natural process by which they were regularly burned clear periodically.  I'd be careful what I accept as fact if I were you.  All anyone who has eyes has to do is ignore what some person who is overzealous about preventing common-sense practices from being implemented and just go out and see for yourself how overgrown the wild spaces in San Diego have become.  Common sense alone tells you that more fuel means hotter, harder to fight fires and along with that consider that the overgrowth also complicates rapid access.

Climate change is real and inevitable.  You'd better accept the fact the earth has been warming, more or less, for thousands of years and man is doing little if anything to influence the natural processes behind it.  Rising atmospheric CO2 is an effect, not a cause.  If I thought it would do any good I'd explain the simple facts behind this truth but since it most likely won't I'll just give you a hint or two.  Consider what happens to the concentration of a gas dissolved in a liquid as the liquid is heated.  Consider the fact that the earth and it's oceans have been warming naturally since long before man even discovered fossil fuels.

And a parting question:  Which is it you prefer?  A gradually warming earth or the next ice age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ironic, especially in light of the false information given here, that one of the two primary causes of the California wildfires was COOLING.  That&#8217;s right - La Niña, which is COOLING of the Pacific, is what shifted the weather patterns and caused the drought we are experiencing that was one primary cause of these fires.  And despite the claims you&#8217;ve repeated, there is no sign that the La Niña/El Niño pattern is in any danger of freezing into a permanent La Niña and thus causing permanent drought here.  On the contrary, assuming global warming continues unabated, we will rather wind up with a permanent El Niño which will bring with it regular downpours, turning San Diego into a lush subtropical paradise.</p>
<p>I see you admit the last time things were this bad was 130 years ago.  Think about what that means for a second.  It was this bad BEFORE ANY POSSIBILITY OF ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE.  So your own admission is that it gets this bad 100% NATURALLY.  </p>
<p>Now I see you&#8217;ve already dismissed another of the real reasons for the catastrophic fires.  You say that someone (no doubt with an agenda) has dismissed the fact, the know, proven fact, that the fires we have are much worse because we&#8217;ve disrupted the natural process by which they were regularly burned clear periodically.  I&#8217;d be careful what I accept as fact if I were you.  All anyone who has eyes has to do is ignore what some person who is overzealous about preventing common-sense practices from being implemented and just go out and see for yourself how overgrown the wild spaces in San Diego have become.  Common sense alone tells you that more fuel means hotter, harder to fight fires and along with that consider that the overgrowth also complicates rapid access.</p>
<p>Climate change is real and inevitable.  You&#8217;d better accept the fact the earth has been warming, more or less, for thousands of years and man is doing little if anything to influence the natural processes behind it.  Rising atmospheric CO2 is an effect, not a cause.  If I thought it would do any good I&#8217;d explain the simple facts behind this truth but since it most likely won&#8217;t I&#8217;ll just give you a hint or two.  Consider what happens to the concentration of a gas dissolved in a liquid as the liquid is heated.  Consider the fact that the earth and it&#8217;s oceans have been warming naturally since long before man even discovered fossil fuels.</p>
<p>And a parting question:  Which is it you prefer?  A gradually warming earth or the next ice age?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6377</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6377</guid>
					<description>You also reveal your disengenuous nature.  There are few if any "global warming deniers".  Those in denial are those who refuse to accept the Earth was warming long before man burned his first gram of fossil fuel.  This is how you and those like you keep trying to falsify the argument - you claim that there are people who deny the Earth is warming.  That's not the issue.  The issues are twofold.  First, is man contributing to global warming and second, if so, is it by any meaningful amount.  I suppose a third logical question is whether or not man will change his ways and accept the social and economic consequences if the answers to the first two questions turn out to be yes.  Based on the behavior of Al Gore I would say the answer to that third key question is NO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also reveal your disengenuous nature.  There are few if any &#8220;global warming deniers&#8221;.  Those in denial are those who refuse to accept the Earth was warming long before man burned his first gram of fossil fuel.  This is how you and those like you keep trying to falsify the argument - you claim that there are people who deny the Earth is warming.  That&#8217;s not the issue.  The issues are twofold.  First, is man contributing to global warming and second, if so, is it by any meaningful amount.  I suppose a third logical question is whether or not man will change his ways and accept the social and economic consequences if the answers to the first two questions turn out to be yes.  Based on the behavior of Al Gore I would say the answer to that third key question is NO!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6378</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6378</guid>
					<description>Ron Said:

Here’s one that should be commented upon &#38; debunked by the Believers -

http://www.businessandmedia.org/ articles/ 2007/ 20071024132139.aspx


The article ask why those who are pushing the various myths such as catastrophic anthropogenic global warming are so intent on scaring us out of our wits with all their gloom and doom rhetoric. 

It's so we'll act without thinking, like they do.

They know if we think it through we'll see how stupid their positions are.

It's that simple - the only way they can possibly hope to accomplish their agendas is through fear and defeatism.  Motivate people to believe they're doomed if they don't do exactly what they are told.

No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Said:</p>
<p>Here’s one that should be commented upon &amp; debunked by the Believers -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessandmedia.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessandmedia.org/</a> articles/ 2007/ 20071024132139.aspx</p>
<p>The article ask why those who are pushing the various myths such as catastrophic anthropogenic global warming are so intent on scaring us out of our wits with all their gloom and doom rhetoric. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so we&#8217;ll act without thinking, like they do.</p>
<p>They know if we think it through we&#8217;ll see how stupid their positions are.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that simple - the only way they can possibly hope to accomplish their agendas is through fear and defeatism.  Motivate people to believe they&#8217;re doomed if they don&#8217;t do exactly what they are told.</p>
<p>No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6384</link>
		<author>Paul K</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6384</guid>
					<description>Greg,
Joe has been kind enough to occasionally refer to Delayers rather than Deniers. I think I'm part of a large contingent of Insteaders. Were I emperor we would concentrate on eliminating particulate and chemical pollution (clean air, clean water, fertile land) and replacing carbon as a fuel. CO2 reductions, however significant, would be a side benefit. Concerning AGW science, there may be lots to be skeptical about, but the foundation of skepticism must always be an open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,<br />
Joe has been kind enough to occasionally refer to Delayers rather than Deniers. I think I&#8217;m part of a large contingent of Insteaders. Were I emperor we would concentrate on eliminating particulate and chemical pollution (clean air, clean water, fertile land) and replacing carbon as a fuel. CO2 reductions, however significant, would be a side benefit. Concerning AGW science, there may be lots to be skeptical about, but the foundation of skepticism must always be an open mind.</p>
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		<title>By: fire survivor</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6386</link>
		<author>fire survivor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6386</guid>
					<description>My family lived through the devastating 500,000 acre fires in Arizona in 2002.  Ours of course were set by two separate individuals.  Now everyone is blaming the fires in California on global warming yet the arsonists that set them are being sought.    So did global warming warp the arsonists minds and make them start these fires?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family lived through the devastating 500,000 acre fires in Arizona in 2002.  Ours of course were set by two separate individuals.  Now everyone is blaming the fires in California on global warming yet the arsonists that set them are being sought.    So did global warming warp the arsonists minds and make them start these fires?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6387</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6387</guid>
					<description>Who knew 2 people could cover 500,000 acres?  Seriously.  Arsonists can start a fire, but only severe climate conditions (like prolonged drought) can lead to 500,000 acres burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew 2 people could cover 500,000 acres?  Seriously.  Arsonists can start a fire, but only severe climate conditions (like prolonged drought) can lead to 500,000 acres burning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6395</link>
		<author>Jay Alt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6395</guid>
					<description>Here is a link summarizing the Scripps research.  

http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/Releases/?releaseID=739  

They don't claim fuel load isn't a factor.  But they show that warming has a stronger influence and is what is driving the spike in big fires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link summarizing the Scripps research.  </p>
<p><a href="http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/Releases/?releaseID=739" rel="nofollow">http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/Releases/?releaseID=739</a>  </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t claim fuel load isn&#8217;t a factor.  But they show that warming has a stronger influence and is what is driving the spike in big fires.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6398</link>
		<author>Jay Alt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6398</guid>
					<description>Another observation regarding Joes post: White House climate censorship continues -
the following paragraph was also cut out from the draft. 

&lt;i&gt;"The west coast of the United States is expected to experience significant strains on water supplies as regional precipitation declines and mountain snowpacks are depleted. Forest fires are expected to increase in frequency, severity, distribution, and duration."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another observation regarding Joes post: White House climate censorship continues -<br />
the following paragraph was also cut out from the draft. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;The west coast of the United States is expected to experience significant strains on water supplies as regional precipitation declines and mountain snowpacks are depleted. Forest fires are expected to increase in frequency, severity, distribution, and duration.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey Mendez</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6796</link>
		<author>Chauncey Mendez</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-6796</guid>
					<description>I very much agree.</description>
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		<title>By: blssing</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-7078</link>
		<author>blssing</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/24/global-warming-and-the-california-wildfires/#comment-7078</guid>
					<description>wow.nice picures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.nice picures</p>
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