Comments on: More on soaring carbon concentrations http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:38:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: J4zonian http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-30119 J4zonian Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:57:25 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-30119 or, Ed, the global heat sinks of ocean acidification, and melting ice, which absorbs heat as it changes phase and prevents, temporarily, temperature increase. And Joe, as much as I'm willing to keep on banging away at the same dense denialist heads month after month after month, refuting nonsense and correcting 'mistakes', the more articles you print on practical solutions (wind, solar, conservation, carbon tax, etc.) and political strategies, the better able we will be to move ahead, while, as necessary as it seems to publish some updates and denialist-debating rehashes, the more we feel we have to prove anthro. etc. climate catastrophe exists the more powerless we seem, and the more we and the articles all become lightning rods for the fulltime professional bloggers and their enthralled minions. (I tried to make that sentence longer and less readable but just couldn't. Hope you can follow it.) or, Ed,

the global heat sinks of ocean acidification, and melting ice, which absorbs heat as it changes phase and prevents, temporarily, temperature increase.

And Joe, as much as I’m willing to keep on banging away at the same dense denialist heads month after month after month, refuting nonsense and correcting ‘mistakes’, the more articles you print on practical solutions (wind, solar, conservation, carbon tax, etc.) and political strategies, the better able we will be to move ahead, while, as necessary as it seems to publish some updates and denialist-debating rehashes, the more we feel we have to prove anthro. etc. climate catastrophe exists the more powerless we seem, and the more we and the articles all become lightning rods for the fulltime professional bloggers and their enthralled minions.

(I tried to make that sentence longer and less readable but just couldn’t. Hope you can follow it.)

]]> By: ED http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-29993 ED Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:57:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-29993 Paul, just as some don't understand the difference between "Weather" and "climate" you are confused between two very different things, "the year that is the current record holder for average global temp for the year" is one thing (and is a statistical tie between 1998 and 2005, if you research it more carefully) but even if it was "1998" that's very different from "The trend has stopped the increase" in which one can look at the rolling averages in 10 or 20 year periods, among other ways of looking at "trends" (this doesn't even begin to touch on issues like the built in extra heating already in the pipeline Paul, just as some don’t understand the difference between “Weather” and “climate” you are confused between two very different things, “the year that is the current record holder for average global temp for the year” is one thing (and is a statistical tie between 1998 and 2005, if you research it more carefully) but even if it was “1998″ that’s very different from “The trend has stopped the increase” in which one can look at the rolling averages in 10 or 20 year periods, among other ways of looking at “trends” (this doesn’t even begin to touch on issues like the built in extra heating already in the pipeline

]]> By: raig Allen http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-29918 raig Allen Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:26:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-29918 Paul K: The global temperature trend is characterised by a long term warming trend with year to year 'noise' imposed over the top. If you look at plots of the data you can identify a dozen temporary dips of several years or more that temporarily interupt the upward trend. This 'noise' is due to factors such as the el nino, indian ocean dipole and numerous other aspects of the climate system. If the noise in the climate record were to disappear all together and we were to start seeing a relentless year by year increase, that in itself would be very wierd and scary. It's not going to happen. The trend will continue, the World will get warmer, the records will be broken every few or dozen years, and temporary dips will occur again. And presumable people desperate to deny the reality we are facing Cwill continue to pretend black is white and up is down. Paul K:

The global temperature trend is characterised by a long term warming trend with year to year ‘noise’ imposed over the top. If you look at plots of the data you can identify a dozen temporary dips of several years or more that temporarily interupt the upward trend.

This ‘noise’ is due to factors such as the el nino, indian ocean dipole and numerous other aspects of the climate system.

If the noise in the climate record were to disappear all together and we were to start seeing a relentless year by year increase, that in itself would be very wierd and scary. It’s not going to happen.

The trend will continue, the World will get warmer, the records will be broken every few or dozen years, and temporary dips will occur again. And presumable people desperate to deny the reality we are facing Cwill continue to pretend black is white and up is down.

]]> By: Tim http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-29857 Tim Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:27:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-29857 Voracious reader, first time poster. @ Paul K. Seriously? Cherry picking single datum points much? -tm Voracious reader, first time poster.
@ Paul K.

Seriously?

Cherry picking single datum points much?

-tm

]]> By: Emmeline http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-9889 Emmeline Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:52:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-9889 this is really helpful > this is really helpful >

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-6412 Paul K Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:59:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-6412 Dano, A canard is a false statement. A fact is the truth. The fact is 1998 represents the high point in global warming. A prominent climatologist recently said the warming won't restart until 2010. We'll soon see if it does. Dano,
A canard is a false statement. A fact is the truth. The fact is 1998 represents the high point in global warming. A prominent climatologist recently said the warming won’t restart until 2010. We’ll soon see if it does.

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-6409 Dano Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:44:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-6409 Fer chrissake. That '1998' canard was refuted and put to rest long ago. Why do denialists keep recycling it? Oh yes: because that's all they have. Never mind. Joe, one caution we should take is this is a single paper. I'd like to see some more confirmation before it is trumpeted all over the place. Of course it makes sense and may be robust, but more careful wording plz. Best, D Fer chrissake. That ‘1998′ canard was refuted and put to rest long ago. Why do denialists keep recycling it? Oh yes: because that’s all they have. Never mind.

Joe, one caution we should take is this is a single paper. I’d like to see some more confirmation before it is trumpeted all over the place. Of course it makes sense and may be robust, but more careful wording plz.

Best,

D

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/#comment-6402 Paul K Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:37:38 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-emissions-sinks-saturating/#comment-6402 Joe, If CO2 levels are rising at ever more alarming rates, why has there been no warming trend since 1998? The 1975 - 1998 warming trend was caused by increased CO2 in the atmosphere. That is settled science. Why has the trend not continued with even greater concentrations? Where are the rising sea levels? Have they gone up even six inches in the last ten years? On a less combative note, last week I took a trip through Iowa, South Dakota and Montana. There's a lot of wind power up and running and more coming in this region. The wind turbines are a magnificent sight from the highway. Joe,
If CO2 levels are rising at ever more alarming rates, why has there been no warming trend since 1998? The 1975 – 1998 warming trend was caused by increased CO2 in the atmosphere. That is settled science. Why has the trend not continued with even greater concentrations? Where are the rising sea levels? Have they gone up even six inches in the last ten years? On a less combative note, last week I took a trip through Iowa, South Dakota and Montana. There’s a lot of wind power up and running and more coming in this region. The wind turbines are a magnificent sight from the highway.

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