Comments on: Dream of hydrogen car goes down in flames http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:57:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-6865 Ronald Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:57:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-6865 It’s too bad hydrogen has hit its end. I remember reading not to long ago from its advocates of how great it was going to be. One advocate was from RMI, which has been disappointing, I was expecting more wins and fewer failures from them. But at least we get rid of the failures and losers before we are to far into them, so we can invest in the winners. It has been a few years since I heard anything, but Iceland was considering making the whole Island Hydrogen powered. I'm sure they have reconsidered that. It’s too bad hydrogen has hit its end. I remember reading not to long ago from its advocates of how great it was going to be. One advocate was from RMI, which has been disappointing, I was expecting more wins and fewer failures from them. But at least we get rid of the failures and losers before we are to far into them, so we can invest in the winners.

It has been a few years since I heard anything, but Iceland was considering making the whole Island Hydrogen powered. I’m sure they have reconsidered that.

]]> By: Ted Townsend http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-6880 Ted Townsend Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:58:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-6880 Hydrogen did not hit an end, Ballard Power hit an end. Honda has a new Hydrogen fuel cell powered hybrid that is being shipped to people in Ca. that live and work near hydrogen refuling stations. http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/ Hydrogen did not hit an end, Ballard Power hit an end. Honda has a new Hydrogen fuel cell powered hybrid that is being shipped to people in Ca. that live and work near hydrogen refuling stations. http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/

]]> By: dogg http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-7492 dogg Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:56:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-7492 hydrogen will live much longer :) no end specially when you can run every car on water & hydrogen ! check it : http://water-power.funguid.com/ hydrogen will live much longer :) no end specially when you can run every car on water & hydrogen !
check it :
http://water-power.funguid.com/

]]> By: Tim http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-11175 Tim Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:55:06 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-11175 This is crazy! It's clear that big auto offered Ballard big money to buy its tech and keep its mouth shut. Hydrogen can be produced cheaply with clean power! Home Grown Hydrogen Stations are the FRANCHISE of the future! This is crazy! It’s clear that big auto offered Ballard big money to buy its tech and keep its mouth shut. Hydrogen can be produced cheaply with clean power! Home Grown Hydrogen Stations are the FRANCHISE of the future!

]]> By: Electrolyzer http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-11907 Electrolyzer Fri, 02 May 2008 16:41:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-11907 Truth is, Hydrogen has not died, nor have Daimler and Ford bought Ballard out for malicious purposes. I was recently at Alternative Fuels Day at Ivy Tech in Lafayette, IN, and Ford was running a fuel cell car on a dyno. Now does it look like Hydrogen has died? I think not. One of the main "problems" of a hydrogen economy is the "need" for a hydrogen infrastructure. There is no need for an infrastructure. Basic chemistry tells us that if you apply electric current to water, it splits into its basic elements, HYDROGEN and OXYGEN. Then, all you have to do is feed that hydrogen through the fuel cell and combine it with the oxygen after the fuel cell has run its course, and it turns back into WATER. THen, condense that water and send it back to the WATER TANK to be ELECTROLYZED again. Truth is, Hydrogen has not died, nor have Daimler and Ford bought Ballard out for malicious purposes. I was recently at Alternative Fuels Day at Ivy Tech in Lafayette, IN, and Ford was running a fuel cell car on a dyno. Now does it look like Hydrogen has died? I think not.

One of the main “problems” of a hydrogen economy is the “need” for a hydrogen infrastructure. There is no need for an infrastructure. Basic chemistry tells us that if you apply electric current to water, it splits into its basic elements, HYDROGEN and OXYGEN. Then, all you have to do is feed that hydrogen through the fuel cell and combine it with the oxygen after the fuel cell has run its course, and it turns back into WATER. THen, condense that water and send it back to the WATER TANK to be ELECTROLYZED again.

]]> By: Dr N Saikia http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-14143 Dr N Saikia Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:50:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-14143 With Crude Oil prices hitting the roof, Hydrogen fuel needs to be looked into with greater Government support With Crude Oil prices hitting the roof, Hydrogen fuel needs to be looked into with greater Government support

]]> By: A P Sharma http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-14144 A P Sharma Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:54:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-14144 Use of LPG to produce Hydrogen in a Fuel Cell is the most viable option costing around $2.00 per gallon of Gasoline equivalent Use of LPG to produce Hydrogen in a Fuel Cell is the most viable option costing around $2.00 per gallon of Gasoline equivalent

]]> By: Dr. Bob Benchoff, CJ http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-17793 Dr. Bob Benchoff, CJ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-17793 BEC has just made such a device that fits most gasoline vehicles, you just don't have to visit the pump as often. $19.95. Available at WhiteHouseLinks.com and you can read about it at affiliated NewsWhiteHouse.com. It uses a car's wasted energy to create reasonably useful hydrogen, but not so much as to be dangerous. I have one on my Jaguar, and I'm thrilled. It's clean, more powerful per se, quiet, there's no dangerous storage tank, and there aren't any special gas station connections needed. It doesn't replace gasoline completely, though A Check Exact labs has already officially proven the old technology could if necessary: old tech with new cost effectiveness. Remember the technology is so cheap that they even used it long ago to fill and fly the Hindenburg faster and better than oceanic shipping. Who are you going to believe? BEC has just made such a device that fits most gasoline vehicles, you just don’t have to visit the pump as often. $19.95. Available at WhiteHouseLinks.com and you can read about it at affiliated NewsWhiteHouse.com. It uses a car’s wasted energy to create reasonably useful hydrogen, but not so much as to be dangerous. I have one on my Jaguar, and I’m thrilled. It’s clean, more powerful per se, quiet, there’s no dangerous storage tank, and there aren’t any special gas station connections needed. It doesn’t replace gasoline completely, though A Check Exact labs has already officially proven the old technology could if necessary: old tech with new cost effectiveness. Remember the technology is so cheap that they even used it long ago to fill and fly the Hindenburg faster and better than oceanic shipping. Who are you going to believe?

]]> By: Derrick B. http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-20430 Derrick B. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:35:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-20430 Yes I would definitely give this technology at least 5 or 10 more years before calling it dead... unfortunately, changing cars the way we know them is not something that will come overnight... remember when cell phones used to be the size of a shoe? Surely technology can continue to advance with the right people working on it and the right funding. Yes I would definitely give this technology at least 5 or 10 more years before calling it dead… unfortunately, changing cars the way we know them is not something that will come overnight… remember when cell phones used to be the size of a shoe? Surely technology can continue to advance with the right people working on it and the right funding.

]]> By: Ryan http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-25731 Ryan Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:21:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/21/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-ballard-dead-end/#comment-25731 Look into reading "Smelling Land, the hydrogen defence against climate catastrophe" It's certainly changed the way I look at the earths energy systems. The book doesn't claim to have all the answers it explains methods of thinking about the system as a whole vs micro systems ei - transportation vs. the fuel cell coupe. Hopefully hydrogen prevails. There are lots of hurdles to making it viable, but nothing we cannot conquer, that I am sure of. One fact- Hydrogen has 3 times more energy pure molecule than gasoline! Sure it's terribly spaced out (not dense) but technologies surly must be able to help with that problem in short order! I am getting sick of these fossil fuels in the light of a serious enviromental problems. How silly and slow our policy makers are in the light of such grave danger. Look into reading “Smelling Land, the hydrogen defence against climate catastrophe” It’s certainly changed the way I look at the earths energy systems. The book doesn’t claim to have all the answers it explains methods of thinking about the system as a whole vs micro systems ei - transportation vs. the fuel cell coupe.

Hopefully hydrogen prevails. There are lots of hurdles to making it viable, but nothing we cannot conquer, that I am sure of.

One fact- Hydrogen has 3 times more energy pure molecule than gasoline! Sure it’s terribly spaced out (not dense) but technologies surly must be able to help with that problem in short order!

I am getting sick of these fossil fuels in the light of a serious enviromental problems. How silly and slow our policy makers are in the light of such grave danger.

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