Comments on: The Vision Thing II: Where are the Giants? http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:20:59 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Merrick http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-7010 Merrick Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:07:05 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-7010 Above all, there must be a president who can write lists of what is needed from a president framed in such vague terms as to be meaningless. 'forward-looking', 'the American spirit', are you serious? 'must guard the keys of government from special interests' kinda rules out every possible candidate then. Who pays for the campaigns except special interests? The only other possibility is some billionaire with money to burn, not a one of which could possibly qualify. and as for 'cut red tape' - how are we to get a swift enough response to climate change without new regulation or, in the parlance of many, increased red tape? Above all, there must be a president who can write lists of what is needed from a president framed in such vague terms as to be meaningless.

‘forward-looking’, ‘the American spirit’, are you serious?

‘must guard the keys of government from special interests’ kinda rules out every possible candidate then. Who pays for the campaigns except special interests? The only other possibility is some billionaire with money to burn, not a one of which could possibly qualify.

and as for ‘cut red tape’ – how are we to get a swift enough response to climate change without new regulation or, in the parlance of many, increased red tape?

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6979 Joe Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:36:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6979 Jay -- fixed. Also, I have corrected "Kerrey's" name. Jay — fixed. Also, I have corrected “Kerrey’s” name.

]]> By: Jay Alt http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6977 Jay Alt Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:09:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6977 Joe- I think you need to relink the Kerry article. Joe-
I think you need to relink the Kerry article.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6973 Joe Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:49:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6973 The smart money, www.intrade.com, is on Hillary and Rudy. The smart money, http://www.intrade.com, is on Hillary and Rudy.

]]> By: Ron http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6966 Ron Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:49:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6966 Joe, I'm not saying he's going to be the nominee. And I don't like him all that much anyway. I like some of what he stands for, but he's a big-government Republican; I thought that might appeal to you (it doesn't appeal to me). Who are you betting on, for the nominees and for president? Ronald, That's too bad that you've set the bar so low. I've set the bar really high myself. I figure anybody that wants the job of "public servant" is suspect already. I rarely vote for ANY of them! You see, if you vote you give up your right to complain about the outcome. And I enjoy complaining. ;-) Joe,

I’m not saying he’s going to be the nominee. And I don’t like him all that much anyway. I like some of what he stands for, but he’s a big-government Republican; I thought that might appeal to you (it doesn’t appeal to me).

Who are you betting on, for the nominees and for president?

Ronald,

That’s too bad that you’ve set the bar so low.

I’ve set the bar really high myself. I figure anybody that wants the job of “public servant” is suspect already. I rarely vote for ANY of them!

You see, if you vote you give up your right to complain about the outcome. And I enjoy complaining. ;-)

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6963 Ronald Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:33:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6963 Joe, You’re right of course. Maybe I shouldn’t have been so dismissive of the arguments. I have studied World War II well as my mother was 16 years old on September 1, 1939 and spent much to the war as a nurse’s aid in Hamburg and some in Berlin. Sure, would I want a Giant of a leader who will slay the political enemies of carbon dioxide reductions? Yes. Frankly I would be happy with someone who just wasn’t an enemy of what might actually work, and not come up with hydrogen and biofuels which have no chance of doing any good. Just for politics. My bar for president is really really low. I would just argue that we can’t rely on the hope for a carbon dioxide reduction Giant. Listing attributes is great, but doesn’t the person have to be for our side first? Joe,

You’re right of course. Maybe I shouldn’t have been so dismissive of the arguments.

I have studied World War II well as my mother was 16 years old on September 1, 1939 and spent much to the war as a nurse’s aid in Hamburg and some in Berlin.

Sure, would I want a Giant of a leader who will slay the political enemies of carbon dioxide reductions? Yes. Frankly I would be happy with someone who just wasn’t an enemy of what might actually work, and not come up with hydrogen and biofuels which have no chance of doing any good. Just for politics.

My bar for president is really really low. I would just argue that we can’t rely on the hope for a carbon dioxide reduction Giant. Listing attributes is great, but doesn’t the person have to be for our side first?

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6962 Joe Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:15:38 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6962 Anything can happen. He's not going to be the GOP nominee -- if you think he is, you can make a bundle of money on www.intrade.com, where the betting gives him a 8.5% chance. This is probably good news for Giuliani.... Anything can happen. He’s not going to be the GOP nominee — if you think he is, you can make a bundle of money on http://www.intrade.com, where the betting gives him a 8.5% chance.

This is probably good news for Giuliani….

]]> By: Ron http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6958 Ron Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6958 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/republican_iowa_caucus Maybe? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/ public_content/ politics/ election_2008__1/ 2008_presidential_election/ iowa/ republican_iowa_caucus

Maybe?

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6956 Joe Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:04:53 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6956 Ronald: As you may know, FDR -- without the knowledge of the American people who probably would have opposed it -- supported our Allies before Dec. 7 with a great deal of materiel. Had he not, we might never have had a chance to win the war once we did enter. Joe Ronald:

As you may know, FDR — without the knowledge of the American people who probably would have opposed it — supported our Allies before Dec. 7 with a great deal of materiel. Had he not, we might never have had a chance to win the war once we did enter.

Joe

]]> By: tidal http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6951 tidal Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:02:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/28/the-vision-thing-ii-where-are-the-giants/#comment-6951 Michael Bloomberg '08?... woulda, coulda, shoulda... Michael Bloomberg ‘08?… woulda, coulda, shoulda…

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