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	<title>Comments on: His Name is Earl &#8212; Part I:  California dreamin&#8217; is becoming a reality</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7045</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay -- I am sure you are right.  I asked the IT folks to fix this months ago, and again more recently.  I will try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay &#8212; I am sure you are right.  I asked the IT folks to fix this months ago, and again more recently.  I will try again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7044</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Mashey writes: &lt;i&gt;This sequence was confusing: is there a posting missing (Ed?) or Earl “November 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pm” mislabeled? [Doesn’t read like Earl.]&lt;/i&gt;

[Joe R — &lt;i&gt;It wasn’t Earl. I deleted the comment, making this thread even more confusing. My apologies. My IT folks tell me they are working on this.]&lt;/i&gt;

Joe - I&#039;ve noticed that occasionally when I open the comments, the &#039;name&#039; and &#039;mail&#039; slots are already filled.  But not with my own information, but that of someone else who just posted.  If the deleted post was written by a user who didn&#039;t notice that and asssumed it contained his own info, (as it usually does for me),  that could explain the mislabeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mashey writes: <i>This sequence was confusing: is there a posting missing (Ed?) or Earl “November 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pm” mislabeled? [Doesn’t read like Earl.]</i></p>
<p>[Joe R — <i>It wasn’t Earl. I deleted the comment, making this thread even more confusing. My apologies. My IT folks tell me they are working on this.]</i></p>
<p>Joe &#8211; I&#8217;ve noticed that occasionally when I open the comments, the &#8216;name&#8217; and &#8216;mail&#8217; slots are already filled.  But not with my own information, but that of someone else who just posted.  If the deleted post was written by a user who didn&#8217;t notice that and asssumed it contained his own info, (as it usually does for me),  that could explain the mislabeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7025</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;hippie with a pistol&quot; asked about DWR&#039;s coal purchases.  I don&#039;t know the exact answer off-hand.  There may be existing contracts that are still in force for a while, but my Part II will talk about several recent legislative acts such as SB1368 that answer your question about coal for future long-term contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hippie with a pistol&#8221; asked about DWR&#8217;s coal purchases.  I don&#8217;t know the exact answer off-hand.  There may be existing contracts that are still in force for a while, but my Part II will talk about several recent legislative acts such as SB1368 that answer your question about coal for future long-term contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7024</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Alt wrote &quot;After people learn of California’s low energy use they often attribute it to a mild climate&quot;.  To amplify on his comments, the ten lowest per capita electricity use states in 2003 were Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, New Hampshire, Hawaii, New York, Rhode Island, and California, I don’t see much weather correlation.  These best 10 averaged 7,510 kWh per person in 2003, compared to 13,644 for the other 40 (1.82 times higher).  It is not just California that has low per capita emissions; it is just one of the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Alt wrote &#8220;After people learn of California’s low energy use they often attribute it to a mild climate&#8221;.  To amplify on his comments, the ten lowest per capita electricity use states in 2003 were Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alaska, New Hampshire, Hawaii, New York, Rhode Island, and California, I don’t see much weather correlation.  These best 10 averaged 7,510 kWh per person in 2003, compared to 13,644 for the other 40 (1.82 times higher).  It is not just California that has low per capita emissions; it is just one of the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7022</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you are correct, I did not write the entry currently attributed to me that begins &quot;Ed,&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you are correct, I did not write the entry currently attributed to me that begins &#8220;Ed,&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7017</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  I am looking into this comment sequence.
Thanks for your comments on the book.  I agree it is worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  I am looking into this comment sequence.<br />
Thanks for your comments on the book.  I agree it is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7015</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mashey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sequence was confusing: is there a posting missing (Ed?)  or Earl &quot;November 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pm&quot; mislabeled? [Doesn&#039;t read like Earl.]

[&lt;em&gt;JR -- It wasn&#039;t Earl.  I deleted the comment, making this thread even more confusing.  My apologies.  My IT folks tell me they are working on this.&lt;/em&gt;]

I&#039;d second Earl&#039;s comments about the CPUC decoupling of utility profits from revenue (i.e., in favor of efficiency): a few weeks ago, I heard the CEO Peter Darbee of PG&amp;E, and he highlighted this as something that simply had to happen in more states to enable serious improvements in efficiency.
===
In any case, I just finished a book I&#039;d strongly recommend as an excellent resource relevant to this discussion:

Benjamin K. Sovacool, Marilyn A. Brown, &quot;Energy and American Society - Thirteen Myths&quot;, 2007.

This includes a nice set of articles, including:
Energy Myth Four - The Hydrogen Economy is a Panacea - Joe Romm

Energy Myth Eight - Worldwide Power Systems are Economically and and Environmentally Optimal - Tom Casten &amp; Robert Ayres

Energy Myth Nine - Energy Efficiency Improvements have Already Reached their Potential - Amory Lovins

This last chapter has a good discussion (p.253-262) on nuclear energy versus other options (i.e., it loses on economics, even ignoring issues like  disposal and security.)  [Note: no knee-jerk anti-nuclear-power here: I was working on a career in nuclear or high-energy physics for most of my undergraduate college days.] If anyone thinks building more nuclear plants is a good *economic* choice compared to negawatts + other alternatives, they really need to read this and explain why Lovins&#039; analysis is wrong.  I&#039;m on a beach in Malaysia, so I haven&#039;t yet checked out his numbers, but on first read they seem pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sequence was confusing: is there a posting missing (Ed?)  or Earl &#8220;November 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pm&#8221; mislabeled? [Doesn't read like Earl.]</p>
<p>[<em>JR -- It wasn't Earl.  I deleted the comment, making this thread even more confusing.  My apologies.  My IT folks tell me they are working on this.</em>]</p>
<p>I&#8217;d second Earl&#8217;s comments about the CPUC decoupling of utility profits from revenue (i.e., in favor of efficiency): a few weeks ago, I heard the CEO Peter Darbee of PG&amp;E, and he highlighted this as something that simply had to happen in more states to enable serious improvements in efficiency.<br />
===<br />
In any case, I just finished a book I&#8217;d strongly recommend as an excellent resource relevant to this discussion:</p>
<p>Benjamin K. Sovacool, Marilyn A. Brown, &#8220;Energy and American Society &#8211; Thirteen Myths&#8221;, 2007.</p>
<p>This includes a nice set of articles, including:<br />
Energy Myth Four &#8211; The Hydrogen Economy is a Panacea &#8211; Joe Romm</p>
<p>Energy Myth Eight &#8211; Worldwide Power Systems are Economically and and Environmentally Optimal &#8211; Tom Casten &amp; Robert Ayres</p>
<p>Energy Myth Nine &#8211; Energy Efficiency Improvements have Already Reached their Potential &#8211; Amory Lovins</p>
<p>This last chapter has a good discussion (p.253-262) on nuclear energy versus other options (i.e., it loses on economics, even ignoring issues like  disposal and security.)  [Note: no knee-jerk anti-nuclear-power here: I was working on a career in nuclear or high-energy physics for most of my undergraduate college days.] If anyone thinks building more nuclear plants is a good *economic* choice compared to negawatts + other alternatives, they really need to read this and explain why Lovins&#8217; analysis is wrong.  I&#8217;m on a beach in Malaysia, so I haven&#8217;t yet checked out his numbers, but on first read they seem pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, 
Here is the correct address for the NaS battery system - 
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/notices/2005-02-24_workshop/11%20Mears-NAS%20Battery%20Feb05.pdf

Naturally, the site is located on a  California energy link.  But interest is not restricted to the
west coast - 
http://aceee.org/conf/06et/TP1-5_mears.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops,<br />
Here is the correct address for the NaS battery system &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/notices/2005-02-24_workshop/11%20Mears-NAS%20Battery%20Feb05.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.energy.ca.gov/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>pier/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>notices/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2005-02-24_workshop/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11%20Mears-NAS%20Battery%20Feb05.pdf</a></p>
<p>Naturally, the site is located on a  California energy link.  But interest is not restricted to the<br />
west coast &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://aceee.org/conf/06et/TP1-5_mears.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://aceee.org/conf/06et/TP1-5_mears.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Earl, 

The graph is a nice antidote to one mistaken idea.  After people learn of California&#039;s low energy use they often attribute it to a mild climate (and ignore Texas waste).  But US and Calif. usage and trends were nearly identical from 1960 to 1972.  But they clearly diverge after new policies were applied following the 1973 Arab-Israeli war and oil embargo.  

Wind and solar have the disadvantage of being intermittant, but loads can be leveled out with energy storage technology.  One such system is the NaS fuel cell.  They were invented by Ford, used by NASA and then ignored by American industry while the Japanese perfected better ceramics and (of course) a marketable system.  The large cells store intermittant power and release it on demand.  The rate at which they can be discharged is very flexible, from 250 KW in 15 seconds to 50 KW over 7 hours. (see pg 14)  

http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/

They were first installed and proven in Tokyo.  Some US utilities are placing them in growth areas to avoid / delay extending expensive high-voltage lines there.  Pairing the fuel cells with local wind or solar generation would make the system flexible and less centralized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Earl, </p>
<p>The graph is a nice antidote to one mistaken idea.  After people learn of California&#8217;s low energy use they often attribute it to a mild climate (and ignore Texas waste).  But US and Calif. usage and trends were nearly identical from 1960 to 1972.  But they clearly diverge after new policies were applied following the 1973 Arab-Israeli war and oil embargo.  </p>
<p>Wind and solar have the disadvantage of being intermittant, but loads can be leveled out with energy storage technology.  One such system is the NaS fuel cell.  They were invented by Ford, used by NASA and then ignored by American industry while the Japanese perfected better ceramics and (of course) a marketable system.  The large cells store intermittant power and release it on demand.  The rate at which they can be discharged is very flexible, from 250 KW in 15 seconds to 50 KW over 7 hours. (see pg 14)  </p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>29/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>california-energy-environmental-leadership/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
<p>They were first installed and proven in Tokyo.  Some US utilities are placing them in growth areas to avoid / delay extending expensive high-voltage lines there.  Pairing the fuel cells with local wind or solar generation would make the system flexible and less centralized.</p>
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		<title>By: hippie with a pistol</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/29/california-energy-environmental-leadership/#comment-7006</link>
		<dc:creator>hippie with a pistol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Earl, I&#039;m curious how you would propose we deal with the energy needs of the Cal Water Project.  Is DWR no longer purchasing power generated from coal?  Any thoughts on our outdated urban transportation systems and the need to modify urban planning?  Improving autos is great but there still remains a problem with the energy wasted on todays urban transportation systems.
thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Earl, I&#8217;m curious how you would propose we deal with the energy needs of the Cal Water Project.  Is DWR no longer purchasing power generated from coal?  Any thoughts on our outdated urban transportation systems and the need to modify urban planning?  Improving autos is great but there still remains a problem with the energy wasted on todays urban transportation systems.<br />
thanks for the post.</p>
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