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	<title>Comments on: Bush team, humiliated by Papua New Guinea (!), blinks in Bali, sort of</title>
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		<title>By: Miz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:

&quot;They shouldn’t have to be bribed to do what is right. &quot; - I&#039;d hardly call it bribing, the Third World can&#039;t afford to stop cutting down its forests, it&#039;s how it keeps their economy going. The Third World, Keith, aren&#039;t ever really &quot;free&quot; to cut their emissions, and if they are going to do so, they need help. They need help from the nations primarily responsible for human-induced climate change, responsible for the huge burden on developing nations. And as for China and India being free to pollute, there&#039;s a good reason for it - how about you look at PER CAPITA emissions in their countries, compared to the US. Another thing is that China and India are both developing nations, and are in a period of transition to development, meaning that if assisted, they&#039;ll soon enough become an Annex I country and then believe it or not will have limits put upon them. The US isn&#039;t cooperating with a global effort because it won&#039;t face up to the fact that there are basic ethical responsibilities that it&#039;s ignoring, that it will be responsible for the deaths of millions of people by hindering this effort. So if you think that this was an &quot;Anti-American bash fest&quot;, you&#039;re probably right, the rest of the world is, quite frankly, sick of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:</p>
<p>&#8220;They shouldn’t have to be bribed to do what is right. &#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;d hardly call it bribing, the Third World can&#8217;t afford to stop cutting down its forests, it&#8217;s how it keeps their economy going. The Third World, Keith, aren&#8217;t ever really &#8220;free&#8221; to cut their emissions, and if they are going to do so, they need help. They need help from the nations primarily responsible for human-induced climate change, responsible for the huge burden on developing nations. And as for China and India being free to pollute, there&#8217;s a good reason for it &#8211; how about you look at PER CAPITA emissions in their countries, compared to the US. Another thing is that China and India are both developing nations, and are in a period of transition to development, meaning that if assisted, they&#8217;ll soon enough become an Annex I country and then believe it or not will have limits put upon them. The US isn&#8217;t cooperating with a global effort because it won&#8217;t face up to the fact that there are basic ethical responsibilities that it&#8217;s ignoring, that it will be responsible for the deaths of millions of people by hindering this effort. So if you think that this was an &#8220;Anti-American bash fest&#8221;, you&#8217;re probably right, the rest of the world is, quite frankly, sick of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Morain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Morain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Keith, what&#039;s it like working for the Heritage Foundation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Keith, what&#8217;s it like working for the Heritage Foundation?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Fischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridiculous caving in to this Third World extortion....Pay us or we&#039;ll destroy our forrests.  No one is standing in anyone&#039;s way.  If they want to cut emmisions they are free to do so.  They shouldn&#039;t have to be bribed to do what is right.  Kyoto was a joke.  Most of the countries who signed on are over the agreed limits or they don&#039;t have any industry to begin with.  China and India are still free to polute as they see fit.  This was nothing but an Anti-American bash fest, which begs the question - why do we even support this ridiculous organization.  It&#039;s time to send the U.N. packing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculous caving in to this Third World extortion&#8230;.Pay us or we&#8217;ll destroy our forrests.  No one is standing in anyone&#8217;s way.  If they want to cut emmisions they are free to do so.  They shouldn&#8217;t have to be bribed to do what is right.  Kyoto was a joke.  Most of the countries who signed on are over the agreed limits or they don&#8217;t have any industry to begin with.  China and India are still free to polute as they see fit.  This was nothing but an Anti-American bash fest, which begs the question &#8211; why do we even support this ridiculous organization.  It&#8217;s time to send the U.N. packing.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sassoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sassoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An eyewitness to the final hours of negotiations described the turning point this way, which came after the US delegation initially rejected compromise language: 

&quot;Then occurred one of the most remarkable sounds that has perhaps ever been heard in the annals of international diplomacy--like a collective global groan--descending then to a murmur, then increasing in volume to a full-throated expression of rage and anger and booing and jeering, lasting for a full minute, so that finally the Minister had to call the meeting back to order.&quot;

The full, riveting account is here: http://solveclimate.com/blog/20071215/eyewitness-bali-jeering-assembled-nations-humbles-bush-delegation-join-fold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An eyewitness to the final hours of negotiations described the turning point this way, which came after the US delegation initially rejected compromise language: </p>
<p>&#8220;Then occurred one of the most remarkable sounds that has perhaps ever been heard in the annals of international diplomacy&#8211;like a collective global groan&#8211;descending then to a murmur, then increasing in volume to a full-throated expression of rage and anger and booing and jeering, lasting for a full minute, so that finally the Minister had to call the meeting back to order.&#8221;</p>
<p>The full, riveting account is here: <a href="http://solveclimate.com/blog/20071215/eyewitness-bali-jeering-assembled-nations-humbles-bush-delegation-join-fold" rel="nofollow">http://solveclimate.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>blog/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>20071215/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>eyewitness-bali-jeering-assembled-nations-humbles-bush-delegation-join-fold</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Prall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Prall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just relieved that the U.S. actually gave in rather than just play the spoiler and walk away to pursue that parallel regime Bush wanted... 

One can only try to imagine how this overwhelming international backlash will be spun by the neocon machine. Can Fox news make a palatable &quot;red fact&quot; out of this, or not? We&#039;ll see...

I take your point about the writer&#039;s strike: the sharp sarcasm of The Daily Show is sorely missed. We all just have to think: &quot;what would John Stewart say about this if he were back on?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just relieved that the U.S. actually gave in rather than just play the spoiler and walk away to pursue that parallel regime Bush wanted&#8230; </p>
<p>One can only try to imagine how this overwhelming international backlash will be spun by the neocon machine. Can Fox news make a palatable &#8220;red fact&#8221; out of this, or not? We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
<p>I take your point about the writer&#8217;s strike: the sharp sarcasm of The Daily Show is sorely missed. We all just have to think: &#8220;what would John Stewart say about this if he were back on?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replace the poodle with a Pekinese. . .  How true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replace the poodle with a Pekinese. . .  How true.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never was a smack-down more deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never was a smack-down more deserved.</p>
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