Comments on: BP proves Beyond Petroleum was greenwashing, joins “biggest global warming crime ever seen” http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:49:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jim H http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-43653 Jim H Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:51:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-43653 I am still amazed to see, that despite over-whelming evidence to the contrary, people are still delusional enough to believe that man is causing a rise in the earths average temerature. These same people claiming to be encuraged by "thinkers" like Richard Mercer are the same people who fail to think when facts debunking their religion are presented. No evidence any Environmentalist can can despute this one simple fact. All planets in our solar system have heated in pace with the earth, who is causing the warming there. Here, from back in 2007 even. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece Not polluting is good, caring for the earth is good because it simply makes good sense, not because the future of this planet depends on it. I am still amazed to see, that despite over-whelming evidence to the contrary, people are still delusional enough to believe that man is causing a rise in the earths average temerature.

These same people claiming to be encuraged by “thinkers” like Richard Mercer are the same people who fail to think when facts debunking their religion are presented.

No evidence any Environmentalist can can despute this one simple fact. All planets in our solar system have heated in pace with the earth, who is causing the warming there.

Here, from back in 2007 even.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol/ news/ uk/ article1720024.ece

Not polluting is good, caring for the earth is good because it simply makes good sense, not because the future of this planet depends on it.

]]> By: Hendo http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-28106 Hendo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:31:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-28106 Just when we were ready to become optomistic here comes BP. Happily most of the comments are about the stupidity of tar sand oil. I am pulled towards the electric option, and find myself encouraged by thinkers like Richard Mercer. The Davids of the world (see post above) are strong. Note that his comment is dated Dec 2007, and despite outrage, tar sand is still proceeding apace. Hopefully the 44th President can, amongst his myriad other duties, enable a system where change can happen quickly. We don't really have time just to talk about things whilst it's business as usual. Just when we were ready to become optomistic here comes BP.

Happily most of the comments are about the stupidity of tar sand oil.

I am pulled towards the electric option, and find myself encouraged by thinkers like Richard Mercer.

The Davids of the world (see post above) are strong. Note that his comment is dated Dec 2007, and despite outrage, tar sand is still proceeding apace.

Hopefully the 44th President can, amongst his myriad other duties, enable a system where change can happen quickly. We don’t really have time just to talk about things whilst it’s business as usual.

]]> By: Richard Mercer http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-27998 Richard Mercer Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:55:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-27998 JCH "What provides the power for plug ins?" The DOE says 80% of cars could be plug ins before more base load power was needed. Most PHEVs would be recharged at night when we have an excess of electricity. Plus, with a smart grid we could have vehicle to grid system, using the batteries in cars to balance the grid. As the transition to a cleaner grid is made, it will become increasingly clean to charge vehicles. Even if coal is the source of power, it's still cleaner to plug cars in and run them on electricity. The grid overall is cleaner than coal. If all that is left is offshore and tar sands, then we should have been transitioning to clean energy 20 years ago. However, the oil companies themselves have been the biggest obstacle to anything green, with their disinformation/propaganda campaign on climate change as well as on energy choices. And how can peak oil not be the problem if they only have offshore and tar sands left? David must think there is no problem with the environment. He imagines, I guess, that humans can survive after we have caused the collapse of every ecosystem on earth. I'd say we are probably threatening that, even without global warming. But hey, who cares what science says right? JCH
“What provides the power for plug ins?”

The DOE says 80% of cars could be plug ins before more base load power was needed. Most PHEVs would be recharged at night when we have an excess of electricity. Plus, with a smart grid we could have vehicle to grid system, using the batteries in cars to balance the grid. As the transition to a cleaner grid is made, it will become increasingly clean to charge vehicles.

Even if coal is the source of power, it’s still cleaner to plug cars in and run them on electricity. The grid overall is cleaner than coal.

If all that is left is offshore and tar sands, then we should have been transitioning to clean energy 20 years ago.
However, the oil companies themselves have been the biggest obstacle to anything green, with their disinformation/propaganda campaign on climate change as well as on energy choices.

And how can peak oil not be the problem if they only have offshore and tar sands left?

David must think there is no problem with the environment. He imagines, I guess, that humans can survive after we have caused the collapse of every ecosystem on earth. I’d say we are probably threatening that, even without global warming.
But hey, who cares what science says right?

]]> By: JCH http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-22620 JCH Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:10:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-22620 What provides the power for plug ins? How soon? In the meantime, from where does the oil to keep the economy moving come? Peak oil isn't the immediate problem. The immediate problem is easy oil. At 86 billion barrels a year, the easy oil is quickly depleting. They invest in tar sands because it's all that is left. Offshore and tar sands. What provides the power for plug ins? How soon? In the meantime, from where does the oil to keep the economy moving come? Peak oil isn’t the immediate problem. The immediate problem is easy oil. At 86 billion barrels a year, the easy oil is quickly depleting.

They invest in tar sands because it’s all that is left. Offshore and tar sands.

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7344 Ronald Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:48:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7344 All the oil companies will be falling in the not to distant future. Oil Peak has maybe hit and the oil companies have no other place to go with the decreases in oil production. It makes it that much more important to have plug-in alternatives. All the oil companies will be falling in the not to distant future. Oil Peak has maybe hit and the oil companies have no other place to go with the decreases in oil production. It makes it that much more important to have plug-in alternatives.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7338 David B. Benson Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:29:31 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7338 This solar plan looks much better: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan This solar plan looks much better:

http://www.sciam.com/ article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7334 Joe Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:03:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7334 The tar sands is not so much oil extraction as carbon-intensive oil production. It may be what typical oil companies do, but BP was claiming to be "Beyond Petroleum" and very GHG-friendly. Not! The tar sands is not so much oil extraction as carbon-intensive oil production. It may be what typical oil companies do, but BP was claiming to be “Beyond Petroleum” and very GHG-friendly. Not!

]]> By: jmd http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7331 jmd Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:44:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7331 Is that stuff the reason why BP keeps insisting they need to dump more pollution into Lake Michigan from the Whiting, IN refinery? Is that stuff the reason why BP keeps insisting they need to dump more pollution into Lake Michigan from the Whiting, IN refinery?

]]> By: Albert http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7330 Albert Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:20:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7330 Snark away, David. When a company spends millions painting itself as forward-looking and trying to go green (with their investments in solar, particularly) it's still worth pointing out to people when they throw tar in our faces. Snark away, David. When a company spends millions painting itself as forward-looking and trying to go green (with their investments in solar, particularly) it’s still worth pointing out to people when they throw tar in our faces.

]]> By: David http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-beyond-petroleum-greenwashing-canadian-tar-sands/#comment-7329 David Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:01:54 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/18/bp-proves-beyond-petroleum-was-greenwashing-joins-biggest-global-warming-crime-in-history/#comment-7329 Oh my. How shocking. An oil company is investing in oil extraction. What's next? A pet store selling pets? Dunkin Donuts selling donuts? Oh my. How shocking. An oil company is investing in oil extraction. What’s next? A pet store selling pets? Dunkin Donuts selling donuts?

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