Comments on: EPA Says No: Dems Get Rolled Again http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:55:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7422 David B. Benson Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:09:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7422 Every turn. Every day. Every turn. Every day.

]]> By: Jay Alt http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7415 Jay Alt Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:28:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7415 Marc- I am confused about your take on proposals in the 110th. Sure the House bill had those things - CAFE, silly ethanol, renewables, cutting fossil tax breaks and Renewable Portfolio Standards. It turned out there was no chance of such a great bill (including the last 3 items) being vetoed - it never cleared the Senate. Something is better than nothing. Politicians are just learning how to discuss these issues. They'll be back <a href="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/Gos20000/135078000_l.jpg" rel="nofollow">back </a>, because voters are gonna remind them at every turn. Marc-
I am confused about your take on proposals in the 110th. Sure the House bill had those things – CAFE, silly ethanol, renewables, cutting fossil tax breaks and Renewable Portfolio Standards.

It turned out there was no chance of such a great bill (including the last 3 items) being vetoed – it never cleared the Senate. Something is better than nothing. Politicians are just learning how to discuss these issues. They’ll be back back , because voters are gonna remind them at every turn.

]]> By: John Mashey http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7412 John Mashey Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:53:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7412 To add insult to injury, the 17 states (CA + NY +...) pay a lot of the bills, and this is what we get. From: http://www.ppinys.org/nybalpayments.htm, we find that in 2000 (last year I could find): In $Millions, i.e., the first # is $1.977T $1,977,113 all states sent to Washington $1,687,116 all states got back -$ 289,997 net balance for all states -$ 202,814 net deficit for those 17 states $1,006,305 17 states sent to Washington Thus, the 17 states paid more than half of the taxes, and in fact, paid 70% of the money that didn't come back. Hmmm. To add insult to injury, the 17 states (CA + NY +…) pay a lot of the bills, and this is what we get.

From: http://www.ppinys.org/nybalpayments.htm, we find that in 2000 (last year I could find):

In $Millions, i.e., the first # is $1.977T
$1,977,113 all states sent to Washington
$1,687,116 all states got back
-$ 289,997 net balance for all states

-$ 202,814 net deficit for those 17 states
$1,006,305 17 states sent to Washington

Thus, the 17 states paid more than half of the taxes, and in fact, paid 70% of the money that didn’t come back. Hmmm.

]]> By: Lou Grinzo http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7405 Lou Grinzo Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:17:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again/#comment-7405 Very well said, Marc. The surest, swiftest path to a solution for our energy and environmental problems is the ballot box. Very well said, Marc.

The surest, swiftest path to a solution for our energy and environmental problems is the ballot box.

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