The weather channel had its top ten global warming doers on a few days ago. Joe, you weren’t in the top ten. But the New York Times Andy Revkin and Thomas Freidman were 3 and 4 on their top ten list. Most of the others were community activists.

Other than that - been following this site for some time now. Thanks for keeping this extremely important topic on the radar. Hats off to you for all your work. Can’t say enough about the importance of this site and your work.

1) it is green on:
a) Deskside Dell Linux PC, Firefox.
b) Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop, WinXP.
c) iPhone, Safari

However, the green in a) is pretty obvious, but especially at smaller font sizes (ctrl+, ctrl- to explore), the green in b) and c) needs very close examiniation to see that it’s green, which is why a lot of people use underlined links. I.e., the contrast between dark green and black is not high, especially in smaller font sizes.

2) Abhijeet: you may want to check this by zooming sizes in your browser, and also, looking at other computers to make sure there isn’t something about your system’s display.

Finally, if you haven’t before, you may want to check for a touch of red-green color blindness.
Google: color blindness
Google: web-safe color palette color blindness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness :
‘For example, in the evening, dark green cars appear to be black to Deuteranomalous people”

Since ~6% of males have some degree of this, it’s really a good idea to use the underlines.

You left out the part of the story about the ‘unusual winds’ that strongly contributed to the melt. They have not been linked to AGW. And you left out the part of it re-freezing in record time.

And what also is usually overlooked is that Arctic ice thickness has only been recorded and studied since 1978.

Roald Amundsen sailed the Northwest Passage in 1903-05. Harry Larsen did it in 1940-42, and then again in 1944.

We don’t even know for sure if what we are seeing is unusual.

And you link to your recent post on sea level rise

http://climateprogress.org/ 2007/ 12/ 31/ sea-levels-may-rise-5-feet-by-2100/

But exactly what does Arctic ice melting have to do with sea level rise?

Re #4 -

If you can’t depend on our government, why do you think China’s government can be depended on?

RE #8 -

Yep, all sorts of things are being ‘linked to global warming’, but not much really being scientifically linked. It sure has been a year of hype, hasn’t it?

You are correct. Greenland melting would have an effect on sea level. I stand corrected. I was not thinking about Greenland.

So I also forgot about the discovery of the other reason for at least some observed Greenland melt. The magma under Greenland. Joe left that out too.

These ‘other factors’ may not interest those only looking for stories to hype, but they do matter to scientists. The ‘unusual winds’ and the magma might rank up there somewhere as important science stories of 2007.

Best,

D

Could you post a link? The articles I’ve seen so far haven’t mentioned US Navy records.

John: I’ll ignore your sarcasm and agree with your suggestion to use underlines. As far as I know, I have 20/20 vision with no color-blindedness, but (as Joseph Heller would have written) that’s only as far as I know. You might want to perform the same tests with your dyslexia, though. Or you may want to ignore it because dyslexic people are supposed to be pretty gifted (intellectually). No offence intended or taken Peace.

To Ron and all his co-believers: Even if one accepts for a callous and uneducated moment that all the “global warming hype” as you call is were really hype, wouldn’t you rather have people working on this “hype” and in the process improving air quality and thereby improving health for all denizens of this polluted planet, reducing international tensions resulting from the oil supply-and-demand disparity and thereby saving lives of innocent victims of oil-producing countries too weak to protect its citizens from the attack of both the pipeline-protecting-team-of-combatants called the US army and the pipeline-destroying-team-of-combatants called Al-Qaeda, utilizing lost solar and wind energy instead of burning anything and everything they can burn and therby ensuring that generations to come will have access to fossil fuels that should actually be the last reserve we use instead of the first source we burn, instead of wasting their time on dangerous and/or fascist hypes like “Kill all Muslims” or “Buy that Hummer, Bubba” or “It’s a Hemi” or “We will impose our philosophy on all countries that don’t agree with us” or “Kill all communists”… Oh, there are so many of these “hypes” you’d rather succumb to than the “hype” of global warming. Or is it that “I want world peace” is only meant for the evening-gown-clad sexy supermodel just about to cover her mouth after winning the Miss Whatever contest and “Love thy neighbor” is only meant for Sunday School, but none of these are to be practiced - only preached? Which “hype” would you rather subscribe to? Do you inspect all the propaganda your government has been feeding you for decades with the same amount of detail as you dissect each and every phrase of each and every report that qualified scientists have been coming up with time and again? You do not believe that your own politicians had anything to do with 9/11. You do not believe that everything leading to the last two terms of the Bush administration has been a systematic set-up to rob the American taxpayer and kill the poor Iraqi, Irani, Syrian, and North Korean child-or-woman-or-man-on-the-street only so that narcissist Weapons Manufacturers can make profit. But you do believe everything Bill O’Rielly blabbers in his conceited, uneducated, narrow-minded, arrogant, and despicable (read as Stupid White Man) attitude about how the “Global Warming Hoax” is only about Hippy and Gay Liberals trying to save polar bears. Why don’t you use your intelligence and education to dissect, inspect, scrutinize, and expose the criminal actions of your totalitarian and fascist government which has now become the “executive” arm of a congolerate of narcissist corporations who are nothing but officers of the “Fourth Reich” who should all be taken to some Nuremberg, tried, and hung for crimes against humanity just like the officers of the Third Reich were? Why don’t you really “think”. Why don’t you read some George Orwell? Why don’t you read some history? Why don’t you read some Geography? Why don’t you remove the flaps that have been put around your eyes and, for one moment, actually LOOK around?

I do not digress when I say all this. It’s all related. You cannot inspect one problem without looking at all allied problems and going to their common root - Ignorance.

To quote somebody who must be indeed a great thinker:

“Only after the last tree has been cut down.
Only after the last river has been poisoned.
Only after the last fish has been caught.
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.”

It’s so simple, Bubba!

The well-known (1999).

Best,

D

I can’t tell which side you’re on, but I really enjoyed your post.

Have any ideas where this is going to lead us, say over the next 40 years or so?

http://climateprogress.org/ 2007/ 11/ 30/ global-warming-prediction-presidential-politics/

Ah, well. It’s good enough to make decisions on.

Otherwise, we’d have analysis paralysis, and I’m sure denialists wouldn’t want that, would they?

Best,

D

Still, the fact that the passage has been used in the past by tiny boats doing multi-year trips has little to do with this year’s opening. Not many people will bother when they expect to freeze in for a winter or two.

However, If I owned a big ship and satellite data showed the passage was clear for a couple of weeks I might consider it.

Unfortunately nobody know where the rocks are yet, but if the ice leaves even seasonally there is no reason why it won’t in the future be as busy as the Panama Canal. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing.

Sounds good, except now we are discovering that biofuels, encouraged in part due to AGW hype, has serious environmental and economic downsides. Deforeestation in tropics and higher food prices.
Nothing is ‘free’.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ earth/ main.jhtml?xml=/ earth/ 2008/ 04/ 30/ eaclimate130.xml

What science does this article refer to? Is the science UN report of non-scientist? Is it the report of a “scientist with a skewed objective - i.e. funding. I am sorry, but “scientist” are not necessarily the smartest group of people. They are supposed to be concentrated in a specific field, but offered suffer the same corruption of their work as in any industry. The mighty dollar skews result of many reports. If you remember scientist used to be railing about sea level rise. Funny it has not happened yet. I guess that theory waned after a number of geologists (real scientist – what is a climate scientist – who gives that degree away?) reported that tectonic plate movement was the cause of sea level rise not polar melt.

This discussion on Global Warming is crazy. It seems that you are offering “scientific data”, but in reality it is not accurate. The Earth is always changing there have been cycles of warmth, and cold throughout this planets history. Everything is not centered on the earth. The biggest generator of heat is the sun. The oceans if you can believe compromise 75% of the earth’s surface. It takes a significant amount of energy to raise, or lower the temperature of the earth’s oceans. Can you imagine heating water at a depth of 4000 feet or greater. This all has an impact on the atmosphere. The current “global warming movement” is really a political movement to control people. Look at the price of gas, food, and energy. For years the powers that be have been trying to convince people to move closer to the cities, and develop public transportation. Humm - looks like the mew tactic is working. The theme seems to center it self around live in an agrarian society, but let me keep my 30,000 sq ft mansion with all the amenities.