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	<title>Comments on: McCain&#8217;s Double-Talk Express on Global Warming</title>
	<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/</link>
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		<title>By: Sorghum Crow</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8265</link>
		<author>Sorghum Crow</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've always been wary of his Stray Talk Express. I think he may understand some things about AGW and carbon, but is reluctant to come right out and say so because the neocons would eviscerate him.

I noticed at the end of the clip he invoked the old &lt;i&gt;deus ex machina&lt;/i&gt; of technological breakthroughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been wary of his Stray Talk Express. I think he may understand some things about AGW and carbon, but is reluctant to come right out and say so because the neocons would eviscerate him.</p>
<p>I noticed at the end of the clip he invoked the old <i>deus ex machina</i> of technological breakthroughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Ayers</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8275</link>
		<author>Ben Ayers</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8275</guid>
					<description>I do not see this as double talk the way you are presenting Senator McCain.  In the 70's we capped air and water pollution through firm discharge limits facility by facility.  

The bill he sponsored took the matter in a different direction as it introduced the right to trade pollution credits among emitters.

The question asked, Is he in favor of 70s style pollution caps? No!

The answer is accurate.  He is in favor capping CO2 coupled with free-market trading of carbon as a means to reduce CO2 at the cheapest cost by allowing trading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see this as double talk the way you are presenting Senator McCain.  In the 70&#8217;s we capped air and water pollution through firm discharge limits facility by facility.  </p>
<p>The bill he sponsored took the matter in a different direction as it introduced the right to trade pollution credits among emitters.</p>
<p>The question asked, Is he in favor of 70s style pollution caps? No!</p>
<p>The answer is accurate.  He is in favor capping CO2 coupled with free-market trading of carbon as a means to reduce CO2 at the cheapest cost by allowing trading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8276</link>
		<author>Jay Alt</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8276</guid>
					<description>McCain's bill is a good start toward dealing with global warming.  He's led on the issue.  Is his response the end-all?  Certainly not.  But it's likely all that many GOP primary voters can tolerate and process right now.   (For a flawed answer, see Guilliani's reply to the same question.  -  Go nuclear now. Cap-and-trade would "crush the economy", China and India are unfair, technology rah-rah - 

Politicians who get conservatives to listen to global warming solutions are a precious commodity.  McCain wasn't in a room full of AGU scientists.   He was playing to a group so misinformed they cringe at the mention of the topic.  They don't  understand or trust the science and they either dismiss it or view it through one misplaced metaphor after another.  All provided thru decades-long efforts of Singer, Luntz and others.  

I don't care why McCain's supporters might accept cap-and-trade, only that it can be implemented with his help.  A great many depressing stories and scenarios have are reviewed here.  The chance of a presidential race between two candidates both vowing to confront global warming is an opportunity.  

From the transcript link.  On pg 13 candidates debate disaster insurance plans.

&lt;b&gt;McCain responds:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt; "Well, frankly, it takes a little more than 30 seconds. But, look, this is a terrible problem, not only here in Florida, but across the states that are subject to hurricanes.

And as more and more violent weather patterns take place, people's homes are in more and more jeopardy. We've got to address this issue."&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm.  It sure sounds like McCain is alluding to the predicted (and perhaps observed) increase in hurricane intensity (not frequency) due to global warming.  He doesn't turn his audience off and gives them reasons to support his position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain&#8217;s bill is a good start toward dealing with global warming.  He&#8217;s led on the issue.  Is his response the end-all?  Certainly not.  But it&#8217;s likely all that many GOP primary voters can tolerate and process right now.   (For a flawed answer, see Guilliani&#8217;s reply to the same question.  -  Go nuclear now. Cap-and-trade would &#8220;crush the economy&#8221;, China and India are unfair, technology rah-rah - </p>
<p>Politicians who get conservatives to listen to global warming solutions are a precious commodity.  McCain wasn&#8217;t in a room full of AGU scientists.   He was playing to a group so misinformed they cringe at the mention of the topic.  They don&#8217;t  understand or trust the science and they either dismiss it or view it through one misplaced metaphor after another.  All provided thru decades-long efforts of Singer, Luntz and others.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care why McCain&#8217;s supporters might accept cap-and-trade, only that it can be implemented with his help.  A great many depressing stories and scenarios have are reviewed here.  The chance of a presidential race between two candidates both vowing to confront global warming is an opportunity.  </p>
<p>From the transcript link.  On pg 13 candidates debate disaster insurance plans.</p>
<p><b>McCain responds:</b><i> &#8220;Well, frankly, it takes a little more than 30 seconds. But, look, this is a terrible problem, not only here in Florida, but across the states that are subject to hurricanes.</p>
<p>And as more and more violent weather patterns take place, people&#8217;s homes are in more and more jeopardy. We&#8217;ve got to address this issue.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hmm.  It sure sounds like McCain is alluding to the predicted (and perhaps observed) increase in hurricane intensity (not frequency) due to global warming.  He doesn&#8217;t turn his audience off and gives them reasons to support his position.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8277</link>
		<author>Angela</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>McCain is a disaster.</description>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8278</link>
		<author>Ruthie</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8278</guid>
					<description>Straight talk? What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight talk? What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenwell</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8727</link>
		<author>John Greenwell</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8727</guid>
					<description>Does he even know how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and what percentage man might be responsible for?   Do very many people even know who the IPCC is?  Have they actually read any of their reports?  Do they  know that even the IPCC say that they pick and choose what items they put into their computer model and that the biggest greenhouse is not even included in their model?  They admit that even if all the nations of the world submit to the Kyoto accord that we would not be able to change the temperature of the world by more than one tenth of one degree in 50 years?  How many 3rd world countries are being told even now not to build power plants to grow their economies or use fossil fuels to feed their populations , warm their homes and perhaps lead some sort of existence even remotely like we do in our country?
Many studies are proposed about climate change just to get federal funding? Institutions that want additional funding are more than ready to “study the issue” so their departments can get part of the billions handed out. Those that disclaim global warming get no money and sometimes lots of grief.

More people should know basic facts about so-called man-made global warming before pushing for drastic controls of our economies and picking pandering politicians they will say anything to get elected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does he even know how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and what percentage man might be responsible for?   Do very many people even know who the IPCC is?  Have they actually read any of their reports?  Do they  know that even the IPCC say that they pick and choose what items they put into their computer model and that the biggest greenhouse is not even included in their model?  They admit that even if all the nations of the world submit to the Kyoto accord that we would not be able to change the temperature of the world by more than one tenth of one degree in 50 years?  How many 3rd world countries are being told even now not to build power plants to grow their economies or use fossil fuels to feed their populations , warm their homes and perhaps lead some sort of existence even remotely like we do in our country?<br />
Many studies are proposed about climate change just to get federal funding? Institutions that want additional funding are more than ready to “study the issue” so their departments can get part of the billions handed out. Those that disclaim global warming get no money and sometimes lots of grief.</p>
<p>More people should know basic facts about so-called man-made global warming before pushing for drastic controls of our economies and picking pandering politicians they will say anything to get elected</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8879</link>
		<author>Bob Miller</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-8879</guid>
					<description>In my opinion, people like John McCain and I are not heroes. We flew into a country and killed people who were not attacking the United States. Today, Americans are being welcomed and cared for in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City better than they are in many cities in the US.
 
If a person’s goal is to continue to embrace the policies that have devalued our country and our dollar, and to have secret torture camps spread around the globe, then John McCain is their man. However, before we send another one of these warmongers to the Oval Office, we might seek the counsel of a five star general and two term president who lead us to victory, not defeat. Let's ask President Eisenhower about these arms dealers, a/k/a the Defense Department, who have not only left every child and senior behind, they and their weapons of mass destruction were no match for nineteen men armed with box cutters. It might also be pointed out that these arms dealers have not been able to stop a few goat herders from terrorizing the world. Even more discouraging, they do not trust their military to provide protection for their very own generals so they are paying mercenaries 20k a month to do the job. President Eisenhower referred to this gathering of thieves as the Military-Industrial Complex.

McCain knows nothing about clean money, clean energy is out of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, people like John McCain and I are not heroes. We flew into a country and killed people who were not attacking the United States. Today, Americans are being welcomed and cared for in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City better than they are in many cities in the US.</p>
<p>If a person’s goal is to continue to embrace the policies that have devalued our country and our dollar, and to have secret torture camps spread around the globe, then John McCain is their man. However, before we send another one of these warmongers to the Oval Office, we might seek the counsel of a five star general and two term president who lead us to victory, not defeat. Let&#8217;s ask President Eisenhower about these arms dealers, a/k/a the Defense Department, who have not only left every child and senior behind, they and their weapons of mass destruction were no match for nineteen men armed with box cutters. It might also be pointed out that these arms dealers have not been able to stop a few goat herders from terrorizing the world. Even more discouraging, they do not trust their military to provide protection for their very own generals so they are paying mercenaries 20k a month to do the job. President Eisenhower referred to this gathering of thieves as the Military-Industrial Complex.</p>
<p>McCain knows nothing about clean money, clean energy is out of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: akshay</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-15365</link>
		<author>akshay</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/01/25/mccains-double-talk-express-on-global-warming/#comment-15365</guid>
					<description>In near future when all the fossil fuel will be exhausted, only nuclear power will be there as a source of energy and it could reduce the global warming with much extend.  Business companies, transport, &lt;a href="http://www.forexfloor.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;currency trading&lt;/a&gt;, manufacturing corporations will only use nuclear power , because fossil fuels are limited But bye the time damaged will be done. It is only in our hands to save our planet from this disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In near future when all the fossil fuel will be exhausted, only nuclear power will be there as a source of energy and it could reduce the global warming with much extend.  Business companies, transport, <a href="http://www.forexfloor.com" rel="nofollow">currency trading</a>, manufacturing corporations will only use nuclear power , because fossil fuels are limited But bye the time damaged will be done. It is only in our hands to save our planet from this disaster.</p>
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