Comments on: Greenland Study: Sea level rise could be double IPCC projections

By: Counsel

Counsel — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:38:10 +0000

There are too few facts to have any “answer.” We have been measuring this data for a minute amount of time on the geologic scale, and ice ages and warming events move slowly.

However, Anon (above) is right, I think. “Good” government has a plan to deal with eventualities and potential events. If you have no plan, you are left looking foolish and ineffective (because you are…).

The facts show sea level rise is happening (slow now) and that ice sheets (some) are melting faster than “expected.” While I am not moving away from the shore just yet, I am aware that Boston, New York, Miami, and several other large cities are situated along coastal areas and lack significant topography to “harbor” all of their residents/services if sea level rises “more than expected.”

If we agree that sea level will continue to rise “until the next Ice Age,” what is/are the plan/plans to deal with flooding cities so that we avoid issues like financial instability for everyone–rather than just those who live on the coast?

Logical and Reasonable Governmental Planning does not equal over-zealous regulation…

I am not for “over-zealous” governmental regulation either, and I, of course, think the banks should have been forced to enter bankruptcy (pick your Chapter) in the first place… There are some things the “free” market can deal with better than governmental intervention while there are some things that will require governmental intervention…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:27:39 +0000

I love the “problems” that people make for themselves…

“Not only would coastal residents be at direct risk from flooding but drainage systems would suffer as salty ocean water would move back into river deltas, changing the biological environment, Hu wrote in an e-mail.”

But wait… these “deltas” might experience biological environmnents due to … salt water intrusion from the ocean.

These are “be aware” papers.

The issue that people (even Foley) need to be aware of is the financial meltdown that will occur with NYC is flooded… You think the banking meltdown caused a recession? Wait till 100 coastal communities are flooded and communities have to move…

If you are wondering where the plan is to deal with this situation, be aware that the USA government says Social Security will be running a negative number around 2030–and we have no solution for that either…

I think Foley and similar (lets wait for a real emergency crowd) should plan now so that the implementation of the plan can proceed smoothly. “Better to be prepared than caught with your pants down”…

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:55:17 +0000

More ad hominem attacks– “I take you are for slave labor…. ”
I’m for rational regulation that keeps the markets free and maintains the flow of information necessary to make rational choices. I’m against all regulation that are ’sin’- taxes. I’m against any type of rationing of resources outside of an on going true national emergency. Where is the slave labor issue component of the alleged AGW? The child labor issue is a nonstarter that exists to show the depths of ignorance the average American that certain morally lacking questionable groups use to further their questionable agendas. Child labor is far from the worse possibility for children in third and fourth world economies–their work income will allow their own children to a, exist and b, have an education leading to the countries economic advancement. Misguided First world child labor activists have the long slow death of hundreds of thousands if not millions of youth by starvation and disease on their collective conscious.
Returning to the Greenland ice, how does the AGW tribe plan to maintain the suspension of reality during even more climate benchmarks that can’t be spun to further the dogma? The ice is getting thicker because it is? Average temps are dropping how?–Where are all the BTUs going? What was the loss rate of the Ice ante the AGW ‘event’ Whats the ‘normal’ flux in glacier masses world wide?
I’d suggest you come up with an exit strategy that preserves your family’s economic future.
Dano, is your belief in carbon AGW so weak that any exposure to actual facts and science will corrupt your faith? Could you please publish a list of the heretics. I’d think the Chinese government might let you use a copy of their Internet filter you could tweak to eliminate any information that doesn’t conform to your dream world view. I hope you can take the quiet time to learn about the world as it actually is.

By: Dano

Dano — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:39:19 +0000

I need find some time to add this blog to greasemonkey so I can killfile Foley.

Best,

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:33:00 +0000

Superbowl? Uhh, that would pretty much be a monopoly.
PC Hardware. Made in China, which keeps their currency artificially low.
Most commodity markets have a subsidy and are regulated.

I take it you are for slave labor, child labor, no Clean Water Act, no Clean Air Act, or other “excessive” regulatory burden.

We have different time stamps. Do you mean “It is always worth remembering what we are fighting for: the next generation!” That of course was a humorous post. We are really fighting for the health and well-being of the next 50 generations or more.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:31:08 +0000

Joe, in the interests of honesty you should precede or follow all of your work with the first sentence of the 0908am 18 February 2008 post. I love to eat watermelons but I think they should be keep out any positions of leadership. How’s the Twenty-First-Centuries experiments in state run markets doing? North Korea= eating grass for two of three meals, Cuba, Pimping its women out to earn foreign exchange, and Hugo Chavez’s nationalised shrinking 90$/barrel oil industry can’t float his workers inflationary paradise. I trust the results of honest Scientists based on actual data from the real world. I ‘believe’ most people are good most of the time. I know ‘good’ people have irrational belief systems that warp their world view. Your models are departing further away from the actual data every day. “Record long cold spell in Hong Kong blamed on AGW” was particularly amusing. Heck if China keeps driving up coal demand you won’t need a carbon tax to jump start nuclear power.
If your group’s various political positions weren’t so greedy I’d be inclined to allow some wastage of tax monies for a short period of time, but the declaration of total unconditional warfare upon the Western Civilization’s means of growth forces one to stop/slow the insanity until the alleged science becomes untenable to even the less educated.
Thanks for the moment of total honesty.
Some examples of nearly free markets, One Scalped Superbowl tickets, Two P.C. hardware, and thirdly any commodity market without subsidies or excessive regulatory burden.

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:08:18 +0000

What “free market”? Gimme a break. Never has been one. Never will be one.

“Alleged fossil carbon forced AGW” — try “proven fossil carbon forced AGW.” Either you believe in science or you don’t.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:45:51 +0000

Joe, the most probable answer is Subsidies have very, very, little to do with the Alleged fossil carbon forced AGW. As always I am against the ethanol subsidies–a perversion of the free market and an unnecessary tax on most Americans. If anything Ethanol has lowered net fossil carbon emissions in America over the last five years, one and one-half gallons of alcohol replacing one gallon of fossil gasoline. And think of all the unburned bunker oil saved by not exporting all that nasty field corn to starving poor who otherwise would have kept burning cow droppings and breathing.
I hold that all taxes increase waste as a ‘natural’ by product of the inherent inefficiency of the government collecting then disbursing the funds even when needed. One of the pesky Laws of thermodynamics would cover the model. You can never recover all the energy(money) placed in the System. If the US Congress would remove the subsidy without giving it to some other Scyophant, it would grow the economy and lower the amount of energy used per unit of output without fail.
As a group the “Greens” knowledge of economics is as weak as their knowledge of the other sciences. Every unit of currency had a fuel/energy cost to create it–Thus if you destroy(Spend funds that don’t create more money)wealth you have added to the environmental problems instead of improving the status quo. Civilization will never tax its way to a greater level of rational stewardship of the Earth. Even Jesus spoke against Zero Sum economics two thousand years ago.

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:48:43 +0000

Gimme a break. Ethanol subsidies have NOTHING to do with AGW.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:50:15 +0000

Every year in America some %(about 0.3%/year (USDA)) of cropland is converted to other uses, yet the value and amounts of food and feed has risen every year on the average. How is this possible? How did more people starve to death in the 20-30s last century then now when the Population is nearly four times as great?
Could there be some sort of mechanism that allows ever greater economic production every year? Why, until ethanol subsidies came into being was the inflation adjusted price of farmland decreasing? Forty Million Frenchmen(tree-huggers) might believe in Papal infallibility(we’re out of Ag land), but it doesn’t make it true.
How many Islander’s world wide have died from AGW compared to volcanoes/Tsunamis?