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	<title>Comments on: Can a NYT article on solar power never mention either global warming or high fossil fuel prices?</title>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<author>Hal</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe,
Where is the best source for the basic numbers and latest info on PV such as 
-- $/peak kW installed
-- range of costs for different installed solar PV technologies now available including small scale (residential rooftop), commercial building (&#62;10 kW) and power plant or industrial/manufacturing on-site power (&#62;1 MW)
-- latest news on thin cell
-- roof tile or vertical wall components and systems
-- the most promising technologies under development and their potential ranges of solar conversion efficiencies and $ costs/peak kW 
-- other critical info on the future of PV, in the U.S. and globally

Thanks,

Hal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Where is the best source for the basic numbers and latest info on PV such as<br />
&#8211; $/peak kW installed<br />
&#8211; range of costs for different installed solar PV technologies now available including small scale (residential rooftop), commercial building (&gt;10 kW) and power plant or industrial/manufacturing on-site power (&gt;1 MW)<br />
&#8211; latest news on thin cell<br />
&#8211; roof tile or vertical wall components and systems<br />
&#8211; the most promising technologies under development and their potential ranges of solar conversion efficiencies and $ costs/peak kW<br />
&#8211; other critical info on the future of PV, in the U.S. and globally</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Hal</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/02/17/can-a-nyt-article-on-solar-power-never-mention-either-global-warming-or-high-fossil-fuel-prices/#comment-8732</link>
		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here is a gloomy take on it all, including solar:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a gloomy take on it all, including solar:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
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		<author>John Mashey</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not a great article, and Zachary clearly seems new to this topic, and I might have picked one or two other people to talk to [Like Dick Swanson, CTO of Sunpower and Charlie gay of Applied Materials.]

However, it is *definitely* true that some people here think they can put solar on "a faster track" by reducing costs and making manufacturing easier, and it's not a comparison with growth rates of other technologies, it's because the same people also talk about climate change, peak oil, and efficiency issues and they think we need to do everything we can to accelerate solar power [and also, in parallel, energy storage].

Low-hanging-fruit efficiency measures tend mostly to be outside VC investment boundaries, but VCs are always looking for fundable efficiency-oriented startups [I've helped several companies get funded whose products are used this way].  It is also the case that the computing community here is working very hard on energy-savings, not just in low-power computers, but for data center design and operational improvements.  We devoted a half a day to that at the 2008 Hot Chips conference at Stanford.

The most irksome thing to me was the confusion over Moore's Law, which has almost nothing to do with solar cell efficiency improvements. 

For something more useful, see Applied Materials' page:

http://www.appliedmaterials.com/news/solar_strategy.html

and look at the Webcast / presentations, which might address some of Hal's Q's.

Improvements come, not from finer lithography [i.e., Moore's Law], but from improved materials and manufacturing processes, and what AMAT is doing is more related to flat-panel display manufacturing than to microprocessor or DRAM manufacturing.

Starting from Bell Labs's 1954 solar cells, if people *could*  have done Moore's Law improvements in energy efficiency, we'd have few energy worries.  [Of course, we'd have had to break  laws of physics. :-)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a great article, and Zachary clearly seems new to this topic, and I might have picked one or two other people to talk to [Like Dick Swanson, CTO of Sunpower and Charlie gay of Applied Materials.]</p>
<p>However, it is *definitely* true that some people here think they can put solar on &#8220;a faster track&#8221; by reducing costs and making manufacturing easier, and it&#8217;s not a comparison with growth rates of other technologies, it&#8217;s because the same people also talk about climate change, peak oil, and efficiency issues and they think we need to do everything we can to accelerate solar power [and also, in parallel, energy storage].</p>
<p>Low-hanging-fruit efficiency measures tend mostly to be outside VC investment boundaries, but VCs are always looking for fundable efficiency-oriented startups [I&#8217;ve helped several companies get funded whose products are used this way].  It is also the case that the computing community here is working very hard on energy-savings, not just in low-power computers, but for data center design and operational improvements.  We devoted a half a day to that at the 2008 Hot Chips conference at Stanford.</p>
<p>The most irksome thing to me was the confusion over Moore&#8217;s Law, which has almost nothing to do with solar cell efficiency improvements. </p>
<p>For something more useful, see Applied Materials&#8217; page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.appliedmaterials.com/news/solar_strategy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.appliedmaterials.com/news/solar_strategy.html</a></p>
<p>and look at the Webcast / presentations, which might address some of Hal&#8217;s Q&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Improvements come, not from finer lithography [i.e., Moore&#8217;s Law], but from improved materials and manufacturing processes, and what AMAT is doing is more related to flat-panel display manufacturing than to microprocessor or DRAM manufacturing.</p>
<p>Starting from Bell Labs&#8217;s 1954 solar cells, if people *could*  have done Moore&#8217;s Law improvements in energy efficiency, we&#8217;d have few energy worries.  [Of course, we&#8217;d have had to break  laws of physics. :-)]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Prall</title>
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		<author>Jim Prall</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In reply to the first question from Hal:
The comprehensive overview of the solar industry and PV module prices that I count on is:
http://www.solarbuzz.com
They've been maintaining an historic price index for a number of years, based on their monthly survey of vendor's stated prices.  They have a detailed listing of the companies that make wafers, cells, and modules, and they aggegate industry news and commentary.
For technical info on PV research, as well as another very thorough index of industry info, I also like Photon International magazine's website at 
http://www.photon-magazine.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to the first question from Hal:<br />
The comprehensive overview of the solar industry and PV module prices that I count on is:<br />
<a href="http://www.solarbuzz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarbuzz.com</a><br />
They&#8217;ve been maintaining an historic price index for a number of years, based on their monthly survey of vendor&#8217;s stated prices.  They have a detailed listing of the companies that make wafers, cells, and modules, and they aggegate industry news and commentary.<br />
For technical info on PV research, as well as another very thorough index of industry info, I also like Photon International magazine&#8217;s website at<br />
<a href="http://www.photon-magazine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.photon-magazine.com</a></p>
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