Humor, humor.

People who have not had a drink of alcohol have gotten into a car or other vehicle and had a crash that killed people. Does that mean if you can kill people in a car by not having a drink of alcohol, it’s ok to drive a car or other vehicle drunk? We should still not allow drunk driving even if you can kill someone without drunk driving.

You survived the cold war without a nuclear bomb going off, which means that it was all a hoax. We didn’t need to spend all that money of diplomacy or a military, it was just a scam for spending money. I have never or anybody I know has ever seen a Soviet Union nuclear bomb, so it all must have been a hoax.

The planet has been at a different climate with the level of carbon dioxide that it has now. That doesn’t mean that if we add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, we not going to change the atmosphere to a level of heating that we are not going to like. We are fortunate that we may have some way of slowing the global warming caused by more carbon dioxide in the atmoshere.

We can’t change all the other reasons that the climate may change, but we can do something about the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that changes climate. And that’s what we should do. Maybe someday, the orbit and wobble of the earth changes again to reduce the amount of sunlight hitting the earth and the earth’s occupants may want to increase the amount carbon dioxide to increase it’s temperature. That’s for another age. Now we want to decrease the level of carbon dioxide we add to the atmosphere so we don’t over heat the planet.

If it was a huge meteor (asteroid) that was going to slam into the planet, would people be then saying, well millions of years ago the planet got hit by a meteor, why should we try to stop this next meteor that might slam into our planet? Meteors have slammed into our planet and huge meteors can cause a lot of damage. We should try to stop them if we could. The climate has changed before and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t stop it if we could.

If a car was heading straight for me at a high speed, I’m not going to say to myself, why jump out of the way, many other people have been hit by a car, maybe it’s just my time. I’m going to jump out of the way. If the planet has gone though colder and warmer climates, that doesn’t mean we have to just stand in the way. We need to jump out of the way if we can. This carbon dioxide increase global warming we can jump out of the way of and we should.

Zero. We have and are continuing to ‘control’ the climate.

By adding fossil carbon to the active carbon cycle.

Which will make it warmer and even drier where Beefeater claims to reside.

John, I’m not denieing “Climate Change”! I accept it probably more than AlGore! But explain this for me.

Imagine you are a SCUBA diver exploring the bottom of southern Lake Huron. In the gloomy light near the bottom, you see what appears to be a log, some branches, and other wood debris. You take little notice of these until you see a stump, with some obvious roots penetrating into the bottom. This seems impossible since it suggests this tree once grew here, a few miles offshore in 40 ft of water. Although the logs and branches could have floated out from shore and sunk once they became waterlogged, the stump could have grown in this position only if this area was once dry land.
Scenes like this are found in several areas of the Great Lakes. They represent undeniable evidence that water levels in the Great Lakes were once radically lower than they are today, making some of our concerns about recent low water levels pale in comparison. Imagine 300 feet lower!
At various periods during the past 11,000 years (the Holocene Epoch) the levels of Lakes Michigan and Huron were higher as well as lower than at present. During the last period of low water, forests spread over much of the area that was formerly under water. Later, as the lakes refilled from glacial melt-water and experienced redirected drainage, the trees were killed as they became flooded, leaving behind evidence of their existence in the form of logs and stumps comprising a “drowned forest”.
Divers examine a stump rooted on the bottom of Lake Huron
Before the Holocene Epoch, there were multiple periods of glaciation over the 2 million years known as the Pleistocene Epoch or“ice age”. During the Pleistocene, geologists have documented that glaciers repeatedly advanced and retreated, often covering major parts of North America, including the Great Lakes, with a kilometer or more of ice. The last of these, known as the Wisconsin glaciation,has left behind a number of clues attesting to its existence and extent.

http://www2.oakland.edu/ biology/ files/ drownedforest.pdf

Read this bit of history, the science channel did a program on the subject also, and then explain to me what part of climate change you don’t understand.

It changes all the time whether human animals are around or not! How arrogant do you have to be to think that we can control the climate?

2007 tied with 1998 for the second warmest year on record, 2005 being the warmest.

See: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

So then, what does *your* scientific analysis say about the consequences of quickly putting 35% more CO2 into the Earth’s atmosphere? We’re modifying a system. What consequences, if any, should we expect, and why?

Yet you’re sure others — who *have* done these calculations and who have dedicated their lives to studying these questions — are wrong.

You are a fool.

> I’ve seen some studies that would indicate an
> increase in C02 occurs after a warming event
> not preceding one.

This old saw has been explained by climatologists years ago. If you don’t know the answer to it, you really haven’t tried to find out, and we all have better things to do than explain something simple to someone who won’t educate themselves in the first place.