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	<title>Comments on: Crude oil at $130 this year?  And $150 next year?</title>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/07/crude-oil-at-130-this-year-and-150-next-year/#comment-9308</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw an article in the paper about the run up in commodities.

Energy up 49 percent
Industrial metals up 21 percent
Precious metals up 48 percent
Agriculture up 59 percent
For the last 12 months

Much of this increase in prices is that the Federal Reserve has to fight the slow economy and has temporarily stopped fighting inflation.   But the Federal Reserve will do what it has to do if inflation becomes the major problem.   

Prices have I’m sure some component of going up because of demand and supply around the world and some because the dollar is dropping.   It gets complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw an article in the paper about the run up in commodities.</p>
<p>Energy up 49 percent<br />
Industrial metals up 21 percent<br />
Precious metals up 48 percent<br />
Agriculture up 59 percent<br />
For the last 12 months</p>
<p>Much of this increase in prices is that the Federal Reserve has to fight the slow economy and has temporarily stopped fighting inflation.   But the Federal Reserve will do what it has to do if inflation becomes the major problem.   </p>
<p>Prices have I’m sure some component of going up because of demand and supply around the world and some because the dollar is dropping.   It gets complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/07/crude-oil-at-130-this-year-and-150-next-year/#comment-9305</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another aspect of the suffering is only hinted at in

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/09/business/crop.php

which does not fully report the various &#039;food&#039; riots in South Asia nor the semi-starvation in Haiti, as examples.

The point is that food and energy are both in short supply just now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect of the suffering is only hinted at in</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/09/business/crop.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>articles/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>03/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>09/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>business/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>crop.php</a></p>
<p>which does not fully report the various &#8216;food&#8217; riots in South Asia nor the semi-starvation in Haiti, as examples.</p>
<p>The point is that food and energy are both in short supply just now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beefeater --- Yes, that was quite a fluctuation.  The most noticeable one in the record.

You might care to speculate $$ that such will happen again.  I certainly will not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beefeater &#8212; Yes, that was quite a fluctuation.  The most noticeable one in the record.</p>
<p>You might care to speculate $$ that such will happen again.  I certainly will not.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Vermeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Vermeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, as you are already getting natural gas into your home, I would suggest you look at fuel-cell driven heat pumps.

Heat pumps require electricity, but they can provide some three units of heat energy for every unit of electric energy expended. We have heat pumps in our (around-year) summer home, and the investment  pays itself back in 3-5 years.

There are two types of heat pump: outside air based, or ground based. The latter are more expensive but work better if it is very cold a large part of the year.

About fuel cells, I am less sure about their economy. They are some 60% efficient, i.e. 40% comes out as waste heat. The remaining 60% is &quot;multiplied&quot; by the heat pump to 180%, totaling an efficiency of 220% compared to your current solution.

I hope you can do something with this thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, as you are already getting natural gas into your home, I would suggest you look at fuel-cell driven heat pumps.</p>
<p>Heat pumps require electricity, but they can provide some three units of heat energy for every unit of electric energy expended. We have heat pumps in our (around-year) summer home, and the investment  pays itself back in 3-5 years.</p>
<p>There are two types of heat pump: outside air based, or ground based. The latter are more expensive but work better if it is very cold a large part of the year.</p>
<p>About fuel cells, I am less sure about their economy. They are some 60% efficient, i.e. 40% comes out as waste heat. The remaining 60% is &#8220;multiplied&#8221; by the heat pump to 180%, totaling an efficiency of 220% compared to your current solution.</p>
<p>I hope you can do something with this thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Beefeater</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/07/crude-oil-at-130-this-year-and-150-next-year/#comment-9297</link>
		<dc:creator>Beefeater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David
I&#039;m not speaking of fluctuations, I&#039;m thinking outright collapse like in the 80&#039;s. Speculation, OPEC manipulation, more unrest in the M.E. (Iranian revolution and Russian invasion of Afghanistan), collapse of the commercial real estate market and the failure of the entire S&amp;l industry along with a stock market crash sent oil prices down over 60 % in a short time. The sentiment up until then was that oil would continue its upward momentum and hit $100 a barrel by 2000. It dropped to under $7 in 1986.

Do any of those conditions sound familiar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David<br />
I&#8217;m not speaking of fluctuations, I&#8217;m thinking outright collapse like in the 80&#8217;s. Speculation, OPEC manipulation, more unrest in the M.E. (Iranian revolution and Russian invasion of Afghanistan), collapse of the commercial real estate market and the failure of the entire S&amp;l industry along with a stock market crash sent oil prices down over 60 % in a short time. The sentiment up until then was that oil would continue its upward momentum and hit $100 a barrel by 2000. It dropped to under $7 in 1986.</p>
<p>Do any of those conditions sound familiar?</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets face it...the planet cannot support the current or future population...the outcome is inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets face it&#8230;the planet cannot support the current or future population&#8230;the outcome is inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil prices are up to the American Dollar, but what is it compared to the world price.   Most all commodities are up to the dollar, or more correctly the dollar is down to commodities, whether that’s gold, silver, other metals.   The dollar has dropped to the Euro, Yen and Pound as well.   

So really the story here is that the dollar has dropped and everything else that we buy in dollars is going to cost more.

Many countries in OPEC are talking of using the Euro for it’s transactions.   If Bush and the US tries to push OPEC at all, they just would do it.  

To get a real view on whether the price of oil has increased world wide, you might want to see what the oil price has done to the Euro, Yen and Pound and other currencies.

As far as heating the house, I’ve made the house so none of the water pipes in the house freezes no matter what the temperature gets down to and the furnace doesn’t run when nobodies home.   I’ve isolated 3 rooms in the house with gas fireplaces, (I used to install them for a living) so a person only has to heat the one room in the house that’s occupied.   We have only heated the whole house less than 12 hours a week.  Last summer I super insulated the bedroom (R70 ceiling, R33 walls) when we thought we should resheetrock (older house.)   It’s really made a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil prices are up to the American Dollar, but what is it compared to the world price.   Most all commodities are up to the dollar, or more correctly the dollar is down to commodities, whether that’s gold, silver, other metals.   The dollar has dropped to the Euro, Yen and Pound as well.   </p>
<p>So really the story here is that the dollar has dropped and everything else that we buy in dollars is going to cost more.</p>
<p>Many countries in OPEC are talking of using the Euro for it’s transactions.   If Bush and the US tries to push OPEC at all, they just would do it.  </p>
<p>To get a real view on whether the price of oil has increased world wide, you might want to see what the oil price has done to the Euro, Yen and Pound and other currencies.</p>
<p>As far as heating the house, I’ve made the house so none of the water pipes in the house freezes no matter what the temperature gets down to and the furnace doesn’t run when nobodies home.   I’ve isolated 3 rooms in the house with gas fireplaces, (I used to install them for a living) so a person only has to heat the one room in the house that’s occupied.   We have only heated the whole house less than 12 hours a week.  Last summer I super insulated the bedroom (R70 ceiling, R33 walls) when we thought we should resheetrock (older house.)   It’s really made a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/07/crude-oil-at-130-this-year-and-150-next-year/#comment-9293</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beefeater said &quot;I wonder if this bubble won’t burst also.&quot;

When J. Piermont Morgan was asked, according to the story, what the stock market would do, he allegedly said &quot;It will fluctuate.&quot;

Looking at the historical trend of crude oil prices, there are indeed ups and downs superimposed upon a secular upward trend.  The reasons for the trend are clear, the reasons for the fluctuations opaque.

A bet that the price of crude will go down some amount in the next few years is a good one.  If you set a particular price on a particular date the bet is quite, quite chancy.  Rouhgly akin to the difference between the climate and the weather, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beefeater said &#8220;I wonder if this bubble won’t burst also.&#8221;</p>
<p>When J. Piermont Morgan was asked, according to the story, what the stock market would do, he allegedly said &#8220;It will fluctuate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at the historical trend of crude oil prices, there are indeed ups and downs superimposed upon a secular upward trend.  The reasons for the trend are clear, the reasons for the fluctuations opaque.</p>
<p>A bet that the price of crude will go down some amount in the next few years is a good one.  If you set a particular price on a particular date the bet is quite, quite chancy.  Rouhgly akin to the difference between the climate and the weather, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/07/crude-oil-at-130-this-year-and-150-next-year/#comment-9291</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCormick --- Lighten up.  I&#039;m only passing on Jimmy Carter&#039;s advice.

The world of hurt is worse in, say, Haiti.  Also, all across Africa, people are very seriously affected by the high prices of petroleum products.

One (partial) solutiion is bioenergy:

http://biopact.com/

http://www.icis.com/blogs/biofuels/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCormick &#8212; Lighten up.  I&#8217;m only passing on Jimmy Carter&#8217;s advice.</p>
<p>The world of hurt is worse in, say, Haiti.  Also, all across Africa, people are very seriously affected by the high prices of petroleum products.</p>
<p>One (partial) solutiion is bioenergy:</p>
<p><a href="http://biopact.com/" rel="nofollow">http://biopact.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.icis.com/blogs/biofuels/" rel="nofollow">http://www.icis.com/blogs/biofuels/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Benson, you don&#039;t get it do you.  When Terry mentioned his home heating bill in increasing, you glibbly offer him a wool sweater.  

Try, if you can, to put some thought into your comments.  There is a world of hurt out there already among bill payers, heads of households stuggling harder to keep up.  As energy costs increase, why don&#039;t we just cut to the chase and tell the whinners to shiver in the dark.

Terry, weigh in here. YOU made a valid point.  David made no sense.

John McCormick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Benson, you don&#8217;t get it do you.  When Terry mentioned his home heating bill in increasing, you glibbly offer him a wool sweater.  </p>
<p>Try, if you can, to put some thought into your comments.  There is a world of hurt out there already among bill payers, heads of households stuggling harder to keep up.  As energy costs increase, why don&#8217;t we just cut to the chase and tell the whinners to shiver in the dark.</p>
<p>Terry, weigh in here. YOU made a valid point.  David made no sense.</p>
<p>John McCormick</p>
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