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	<title>Comments on: Wrong Again 2:  Delayers cry wolf with same old Garbage In, Garbage Out economic model</title>
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		<title>By: J4zonian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/13/deniers-delayers-garbage-in-garbage-out-economic-model-lieberman-warner/#comment-28380</link>
		<dc:creator>J4zonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re talking about arguments in this and in part 1, how bout if we marvel for a moment on the fact that these people--who make their living innovating, coming up with new products and new uses for old products and marketing things no one in their right minds would buy--have spent uncountable billions of dollars during our lifetimes fighting innovations, changes and new products the public and government have decided would make life better for people. Possible even, for some people. 

They continue to do this even though it&#039;s been proven again and again and again--ozone, sulfur, seatbelts, air bags, catalytic converters, lead paint and SUVs vs. fuel-efficient hybrids--that they can make as much or more money doing the right thing than not. 

Why would they do that? It is beyond rationality. 

I don&#039;t know about you but what it makes me think is that we in this country need some sort of collective therapy, and none of our climate, constitutional, corporate power, ecology, crime, war, health, food, &quot;moral decline&quot; or other problems will be solved until we get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re talking about arguments in this and in part 1, how bout if we marvel for a moment on the fact that these people&#8211;who make their living innovating, coming up with new products and new uses for old products and marketing things no one in their right minds would buy&#8211;have spent uncountable billions of dollars during our lifetimes fighting innovations, changes and new products the public and government have decided would make life better for people. Possible even, for some people. </p>
<p>They continue to do this even though it&#8217;s been proven again and again and again&#8211;ozone, sulfur, seatbelts, air bags, catalytic converters, lead paint and SUVs vs. fuel-efficient hybrids&#8211;that they can make as much or more money doing the right thing than not. </p>
<p>Why would they do that? It is beyond rationality. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you but what it makes me think is that we in this country need some sort of collective therapy, and none of our climate, constitutional, corporate power, ecology, crime, war, health, food, &#8220;moral decline&#8221; or other problems will be solved until we get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That kind of analysis happens all the time in politics as elsewhere.     

Many times, I’ll read that President Reagan’s economic policy made a huge change in our economy with millions of jobs created and economic greatness for all time.  But what really happened.   20 million jobs created during the 1980’s which is good.  But there were 20 million jobs created in the 1970’s and since they started from 80 million employed in 1970 to 100 million employed in 1980, the job creation rate was greater in 1970’s.   Actually the job creation rate was greater in the 1970’s and 1990’s than in the 1980’s.   And most certainly the 1970’s and 1990’s greater job growth that 2000’s.   Inflation was down in the 1980’s from the 1970’s, but credit President Carter’s nomination of Volker as the Federal Reserve chairman and his tight money policy for the reduction of that.  Reagan just continued Carters monetary policy.

That’s not to argue that the misinformation is only from one side.  But I do wish figuring things out would be easier.   That’s not our world though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That kind of analysis happens all the time in politics as elsewhere.     </p>
<p>Many times, I’ll read that President Reagan’s economic policy made a huge change in our economy with millions of jobs created and economic greatness for all time.  But what really happened.   20 million jobs created during the 1980’s which is good.  But there were 20 million jobs created in the 1970’s and since they started from 80 million employed in 1970 to 100 million employed in 1980, the job creation rate was greater in 1970’s.   Actually the job creation rate was greater in the 1970’s and 1990’s than in the 1980’s.   And most certainly the 1970’s and 1990’s greater job growth that 2000’s.   Inflation was down in the 1980’s from the 1970’s, but credit President Carter’s nomination of Volker as the Federal Reserve chairman and his tight money policy for the reduction of that.  Reagan just continued Carters monetary policy.</p>
<p>That’s not to argue that the misinformation is only from one side.  But I do wish figuring things out would be easier.   That’s not our world though.</p>
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