Comments on: Hansen (et al) must read: Get back to 350 ppm or risk an ice-free planet http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:48:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Zach http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-19360 Zach Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:17:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-19360 Has "Bob B" ever indicate what his background and credentials are? Has “Bob B” ever indicate what his background and credentials are?

]]> By: Kenn http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-15039 Kenn Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:46:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-15039 I cannot believe that a supposed educated man in the form of Hansen can attempt to persuade others that it would be a good idea to jail those who are not as committed to the myth of global warming as he is. This is America Mr. Hansen. If you want to force your lies on others, move to a country that openly would accept that sort of behavior. We will not put up with such nonsense in this country. Let's put the ball in your court; I think you sir should be jailed for spreading lies and distortions about the myth of manmade global warming. Since there is absolutely no scientific evidence that man has now or ever done anything to help or harm global warming, I think, in a court of law, you would lose. I cannot believe that a supposed educated man in the form of Hansen can attempt to persuade others that it would be a good idea to jail those who are not as committed to the myth of global warming as he is. This is America Mr. Hansen. If you want to force your lies on others, move to a country that openly would accept that sort of behavior. We will not put up with such nonsense in this country. Let’s put the ball in your court; I think you sir should be jailed for spreading lies and distortions about the myth of manmade global warming. Since there is absolutely no scientific evidence that man has now or ever done anything to help or harm global warming, I think, in a court of law, you would lose.

]]> By: snydly http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-12500 snydly Mon, 12 May 2008 07:19:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-12500 Looks to me that from the IPCC ice core chart/650ky that temperature is the trigger for massive defeat and reversal of the temp dev and CO2 spikes each 110ky, for if the trigger was CO2, it would have already happened. There are other forcings beyond CO2/GHG--I include the following , although somewhat tongue in cheek, for comment: Hansen is a brave and good man. I would go farther (it's just this damn mouth) and add that within three years there will be oceanic chaos as the water that used to be ice stops the thermohalene circulation of the oceanic conveyer current, then gathers by centrifugal force at the equatorial bulge thus redistributing the spinning mass of the planet, which will crack the tectonic plate boundaries (that are already twice as active as they were 2 yrs ago, see USGS.gov/earthquake data/intern'l&8-30 days) resulting in earthquakes which will loose landslides (as on Canary Isl/Azores, I think), possibly encourage a big chunk of the Greenland ice cap to slip on its now slushy base layer, producing Atlantic tsunamis, rogue waves, methane pocket release from the ocean floor, at the same time as the mid-Atlantic ridge cracks open, and underwater volcanoes activate spewing molten lava which boils the oceans, steaming the atmosphere, triggering the monster storms depicted in Day After Tomorrow which dump a 1000 feet if ice on all the nuclear power plants above 30' N which then do china syndrome creating radio-active steam chimneys in the ice blanketing at least the northern hemisphere with radioactivity which will freeze in the ice layers being laid down by the permanent storms, then the magnetic poles will flip in the magma of the earth's core generating enough static electricity to cause the planet to glow like a sickly green lightbulb which is the signal for the aliens to land and start roasting weinies as they stroll through the cold, dead universe looking for something to do. (I mean, that's bad, but you know what really gets me steamed?---The neocons will be fat, dumb and happy on their estates in Uruguay. What a pisser.) I wrote Al Gore 2 years ago with this information and have only heard back from a staffer thanking me for the tip on the mid-Atlantic ridge magnetic striping. I should go back and get my masters in Bizarre Behavior. Enjoy the deluge. Cheers, snydly. Looks to me that from the IPCC ice core chart/650ky that temperature is the trigger for massive defeat and reversal of the temp dev and CO2 spikes each 110ky, for if the trigger was CO2, it would have already happened. There are other forcings beyond CO2/GHG–I include the following , although somewhat tongue in cheek, for comment:
Hansen is a brave and good man. I would go farther (it’s just this damn mouth) and add that within three years there will be oceanic chaos as the water that used to be ice stops the thermohalene circulation of the oceanic conveyer current, then gathers by centrifugal force at the equatorial bulge thus redistributing the spinning mass of the planet, which will crack the tectonic plate boundaries (that are already twice as active as they were 2 yrs ago, see USGS.gov/earthquake data/intern’l&8-30 days) resulting in earthquakes which will loose landslides (as on Canary Isl/Azores, I think), possibly encourage a big chunk of the Greenland ice cap to slip on its now slushy base layer, producing Atlantic tsunamis, rogue waves, methane pocket release from the ocean floor, at the same time as the mid-Atlantic ridge cracks open, and underwater volcanoes activate spewing molten lava which boils the oceans, steaming the atmosphere, triggering the monster storms depicted in Day After Tomorrow which dump a 1000 feet if ice on all the nuclear power plants above 30′ N which then do china syndrome creating radio-active steam chimneys in the ice blanketing at least the northern hemisphere with radioactivity which will freeze in the ice layers being laid down by the permanent storms, then the magnetic poles will flip in the magma of the earth’s core generating enough static electricity to cause the planet to glow like a sickly green lightbulb which is the signal for the aliens to land and start roasting weinies as they stroll through the cold, dead universe looking for something to do. (I mean, that’s bad, but you know what really gets me steamed?—The neocons will be fat, dumb and happy on their estates in Uruguay. What a pisser.)

I wrote Al Gore 2 years ago with this information and have only heard back from a staffer thanking me for the tip on the mid-Atlantic ridge magnetic striping. I should go back and get my masters in Bizarre Behavior.
Enjoy the deluge.
Cheers, snydly.

]]> By: Mule http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-11475 Mule Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:07:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-11475 To Uosdwis, I think you're right. You should go ahead and kill yourself now to forestall humanity's destruction. Oh, but wait, you'll release carbon when you decompose. Best sequester your body down a dry oil well. To Uosdwis,
I think you’re right. You should go ahead and kill yourself now to forestall humanity’s destruction. Oh, but wait, you’ll release carbon when you decompose. Best sequester your body down a dry oil well.

]]> By: Mauri Pelto http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9991 Mauri Pelto Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:51:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9991 As a glaciologist who peer reviews many papers, Hansen's paper is very detailed, thorough and even difficult to fully appraisse, since it covers such a wide swath of material. I find it compelling and provoking. That is an important goal to provide sound science will argued, that provides much incentive for further examination. I would suggest having modelled ice sheets and reviewed ice sheet models. That the statement "Critical physics of ice sheet disintegratioin is absent in existing ice sheet models." May not do justice to the models and research we are doing. The citation is Hansen, not a glaciologist, and not someone versed in the details of this area, which raises a question in my mind as to what this is in reference to. The no discernible lag between insolation change and ice melt, is also not referenced to specific glacial geologic data. This is not to say either of this points is off base, just that the case is not specifically made strongly. Lastly, Hansen understates the alpine streamflow issue. The glaciers many of us observe are shrinking and disappearing in some cases, which does reduce summer streamflow. However, this is related to the earlier melt of the surrounding alpine snowpack in non-glaciated regions, resulting in even greater reductions in late summer streamflow in glaciated alpine mountain regions. It also indicates the greater ratio of winter rain events that help raise winter streamflow, while reducing the aforementioned snowpack. As a glaciologist who peer reviews many papers, Hansen’s paper is very detailed, thorough and even difficult to fully appraisse, since it covers such a wide swath of material. I find it compelling and provoking. That is an important goal to provide sound science will argued, that provides much incentive for further examination. I would suggest having modelled ice sheets and reviewed ice sheet models. That the statement “Critical physics of ice sheet disintegratioin is absent in existing ice sheet models.” May not do justice to the models and research we are doing. The citation is Hansen, not a glaciologist, and not someone versed in the details of this area, which raises a question in my mind as to what this is in reference to. The no discernible lag between insolation change and ice melt, is also not referenced to specific glacial geologic data. This is not to say either of this points is off base, just that the case is not specifically made strongly. Lastly, Hansen understates the alpine streamflow issue. The glaciers many of us observe are shrinking and disappearing in some cases, which does reduce summer streamflow. However, this is related to the earlier melt of the surrounding alpine snowpack in non-glaciated regions, resulting in even greater reductions in late summer streamflow in glaciated alpine mountain regions. It also indicates the greater ratio of winter rain events that help raise winter streamflow, while reducing the aforementioned snowpack.

]]> By: jorge c. http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9728 jorge c. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:08:17 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9728 mr.david b.benson: o.k., apologies accepted, and thank you for your reply mr.david b.benson:
o.k., apologies accepted, and thank you for your reply

]]> By: Jeff http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9721 Jeff Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:31:58 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9721 Over a year ago I had said we needed to bring CO2 levels down to '358' by this past Nov. 13th 2007, so its interesting that a lead Climatologist would now be under-cutting that number. Shamefully we call it'Global Warming'(or Cooling), because its an issue of the breakdown of the 'Eco-System'(and that's Man-Made), and if the debate was reframed this way, maybe progress would result. Its going to be a tough bird trying to convey that the last 200 years of understanding our lives, economy, etc.,,,, was 'Wrong'. The other issue is that when you talk about addressing this issue, you're also talking about 'National Security', and do that one thing alone, it would take no less than either a miracle or catastrophe to get everyone around the globe upon the same page(like in 'War of the Worlds'). *I gave the Brookings Institution a scenario on how to do this(how to initiate what I call a Psychological Coup). The point is to enlist everyone's immediate attention, because I believe this Planet has become 'Neuro-Pathic', and soon things are going to spiral out of control. Thing is, I believe the only answer going to be delivered is 'War'(to both correct the collapsing Global Economy, and the 'CO2'/Warming issue). Oh... that number '358' is the Gematria Number of the 'Messiah'(quite a long story on how I came around to that number as the critical number- and I won't go into it any longer--- I tried for a full year to make this understood). Thankyou, Jeff Over a year ago I had said we needed to bring CO2 levels down to ‘358′ by this past Nov. 13th 2007, so its interesting that a lead Climatologist would now be under-cutting that number.
Shamefully we call it’Global Warming’(or Cooling), because its an issue of the breakdown of the ‘Eco-System’(and that’s Man-Made), and if the debate was reframed this way, maybe progress would result.

Its going to be a tough bird trying to convey that the last 200 years of understanding our lives, economy, etc.,,,, was ‘Wrong’.
The other issue is that when you talk about addressing this issue, you’re also talking about ‘National Security’, and do that one thing alone, it would take no less than either a miracle or catastrophe to get everyone around the globe upon the same page(like in ‘War of the Worlds’).
*I gave the Brookings Institution a scenario on how to do this(how to initiate what I call a Psychological Coup).
The point is to enlist everyone’s immediate attention, because I believe this Planet has become ‘Neuro-Pathic’, and soon things are going to spiral out of control.

Thing is, I believe the only answer going to be delivered is ‘War’(to both correct the collapsing Global Economy, and the ‘CO2′/Warming issue).

Oh… that number ‘358′ is the Gematria Number of the ‘Messiah’(quite a long story on how I came around to that number as the critical number- and I won’t go into it any longer— I tried for a full year to make this understood).
Thankyou,

Jeff

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9709 David B. Benson Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:31:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9709 Bob B --- Yes, real science by actual scientists. Read "The Discovery of Global Warming", linked here: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html Bob B — Yes, real science by actual scientists. Read “The Discovery of Global Warming”, linked here:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html

]]> By: Bob B http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9706 Bob B Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:20:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9706 Maybe Climate science by the Hockey team, but NOT real science elsewhere Maybe Climate science by the Hockey team, but NOT real science elsewhere

]]> By: Bob B http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9705 Bob B Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:19:30 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/17/hansen-et-al-must-read-back-to-350-ppm-or-risk-an-ice-free-planet/#comment-9705 You are joking right? You are joking right?

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