Comments on: Graham Claims McCain Has Done ‘Even More’ Than Al Gore On Global Warming http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:45:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10398 Robert Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:37:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10398 Its a shame Gore does not walk the walk. You could power a small town with his personal quota of electricity and air miles. Great DVD, but definitely not leadship by example. Its a shame Gore does not walk the walk. You could power a small town with his personal quota of electricity and air miles. Great DVD, but definitely not leadship by example.

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10399 Robert Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:44:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10399 "The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average." http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/gores_carbon_fo.html We live in a 4-bed detached house in the UK. Having made a certain amount of efforts to reduce our carbon footprint it is now running at about 7,000 kwh/year. That works out to 65% of the US average and just 3% of Al Gore's! “The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.”

http://www.businessweek.com/ innovate/ NussbaumOnDesign/ archives/ 2007/ 02/ gores_carbon_fo.html

We live in a 4-bed detached house in the UK. Having made a certain amount of efforts to reduce our carbon footprint it is now running at about 7,000 kwh/year. That works out to 65% of the US average and just 3% of Al Gore’s!

]]> By: Jay Alt http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10401 Jay Alt Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:36:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10401 Robert - Good on the energy efficiency, but here in the US we follow our own news. Yours is 9 months late and a euro short. http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_5579134,00.html Check with Gore's website, they have lots of energy saving tips for novices such as yourself. Robert -
Good on the energy efficiency, but here in the US we follow our own news. Yours is 9 months late and a euro short.

http://www.knoxnews.com/ kns/ state/ article/ 0,1406,KNS_348_5579134,00.html

Check with Gore’s website, they have lots of energy saving tips for novices such as yourself.

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10402 Paul K Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:43:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10402 Yes, Gore has a great record of leadership. Eight years as vice-president. Here is a list of his climate accomplishments and initiatives. [insert here ] His lifestyle, as Robert notes, is rather carbon intensive. He is now enriching himself via the carbon offset racket. Yes, Gore has a great record of leadership. Eight years as vice-president. Here is a list of his climate accomplishments and initiatives. [insert here ] His lifestyle, as Robert notes, is rather carbon intensive. He is now enriching himself via the carbon offset racket.

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10417 Robert Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:19:33 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10417 Jay Alt - this blog just sounds more and more like a Democratic party propaganda machine. It doesn't really matter what Gore does, he is always going to be your hero. What makes you think I am the "novice" you label me? I have made huge changes in our house over the last 2 or 3 years and cut gas to 30% and electricty to 60% of where we started. More big changes are in the pipeline, including solar hot water, a boiler in the stove and several other things. Also, one of the biggest things is that we both work from home, so no commuting and our energy use reflects full time occupation. Gore has been lecturing on climate change for decades. He must have realised his own carbon footprint was quite extraordinary, even by US standards. Why did he wait until he was "exposed" before taking action? Maybe energy saving is just for little, unimportant, poor people. And as Paul says, he is making a small forture from the "green bidness" so its an essential marketing strategy, probably even tax deductible I shouldn't wonder. Even with all Gore's green improvements his actual carbon footprint will still be massive. It is impossible to live in a mansion with a swimming pool and fly all over the world without this being true. Think of the maintenance of so much property and the manufacturing impact of the green technology alone. But with all that money would he really be prepared to live like an average citizen of the world? I don't think so. Jay Alt - this blog just sounds more and more like a Democratic party propaganda machine. It doesn’t really matter what Gore does, he is always going to be your hero.

What makes you think I am the “novice” you label me? I have made huge changes in our house over the last 2 or 3 years and cut gas to 30% and electricty to 60% of where we started. More big changes are in the pipeline, including solar hot water, a boiler in the stove and several other things. Also, one of the biggest things is that we both work from home, so no commuting and our energy use reflects full time occupation.

Gore has been lecturing on climate change for decades. He must have realised his own carbon footprint was quite extraordinary, even by US standards. Why did he wait until he was “exposed” before taking action? Maybe energy saving is just for little, unimportant, poor people. And as Paul says, he is making a small forture from the “green bidness” so its an essential marketing strategy, probably even tax deductible I shouldn’t wonder.

Even with all Gore’s green improvements his actual carbon footprint will still be massive. It is impossible to live in a mansion with a swimming pool and fly all over the world without this being true. Think of the maintenance of so much property and the manufacturing impact of the green technology alone. But with all that money would he really be prepared to live like an average citizen of the world? I don’t think so.

]]> By: Nick http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10427 Nick Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:14:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10427 Here we go... same old talking points about Gore. Read this first before you talk about how much energy he's using. http://socialitereport.com/2008/03/al_gore_talks_about_his_new_ca.html Secondly, how can McCain's serrogate claim that he's done more with the environment when McCain himself admitted that he knew nothing of climate change until after the 2001 Primary? "Mr. McCain, who acknowledges that he knew little about the climate problem when he sought his party’s presidential nomination eight years ago..." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/us/politics/17climate.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=fbc8f193d4ac334f&ex=1350273600&partner=msnbcpolitics&emc=rss Here we go… same old talking points about Gore. Read this first before you talk about how much energy he’s using. http://socialitereport.com/ 2008/ 03/ al_gore_talks_about_his_new_ca.html

Secondly, how can McCain’s serrogate claim that he’s done more with the environment when McCain himself admitted that he knew nothing of climate change until after the 2001 Primary? “Mr. McCain, who acknowledges that he knew little about the climate problem when he sought his party’s presidential nomination eight years ago…” http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 10/ 17/ us/ politics/ 17climate.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=fbc8f193d4ac334f&ex=1350273600&partner=msnbcpolitics&emc=rss

]]> By: Nick http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10433 Nick Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:53:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10433 How can one say he's good for the environment? Look at his voting record on big oil, ala thinkprogress: http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/03/27/mccain-oil-contributions/ How can one say he’s good for the environment?

Look at his voting record on big oil, ala thinkprogress:

http://thinkprogress.org/ wonkroom/ 2008/ 03/ 27/ mccain-oil-contributions/

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10451 Robert Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:17:32 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/03/graham-claims-mccain-has-done-%e2%80%98even-more%e2%80%99-than-al-gore-on-global-warming/#comment-10451 Nick - I guess after following the climate change thing for a few years I'm just getting very cynical about the whole subject. Lots of words and no action. It is a fact that Gore's personal and professional life require a massive carbon footprint. It is also a fact that he has made a bundle of cash out of the subject - cash used to finance his carbon-extravagent personal lifestyle, including the purchase of his energy-guzzling mansion. Eveything else is pure conjecture, including his real motives. I would be less negative if the "elites" that run our world were actually doing anything to reduce emissions. They are not. In fact the problem is accelerating all the time. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.html Nick - I guess after following the climate change thing for a few years I’m just getting very cynical about the whole subject. Lots of words and no action.

It is a fact that Gore’s personal and professional life require a massive carbon footprint. It is also a fact that he has made a bundle of cash out of the subject - cash used to finance his carbon-extravagent personal lifestyle, including the purchase of his energy-guzzling mansion. Eveything else is pure conjecture, including his real motives.

I would be less negative if the “elites” that run our world were actually doing anything to reduce emissions. They are not. In fact the problem is accelerating all the time.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/ gmd/ ccgg/ trends/ co2_data_mlo.html

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