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		<title>By: görüntülü chat</title>
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		<dc:creator>görüntülü chat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think this time round, with a new US President, we will get cooperation. Cooperation is rational, and acting rationally is a wonderful thing. The delegates to the climate bank of the Convention will take the high road to happiness and we will take the low road. We will all get a jobs in clean energy out of this — and I am sure we will even find a niche for the ex-staffers of the GEF somewhere.thansk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think this time round, with a new US President, we will get cooperation. Cooperation is rational, and acting rationally is a wonderful thing. The delegates to the climate bank of the Convention will take the high road to happiness and we will take the low road. We will all get a jobs in clean energy out of this — and I am sure we will even find a niche for the ex-staffers of the GEF somewhere.thansk</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judge current policy by the current result. In the US, we need to be building at least 50 GW of renewable energy per year. We are building approximately none. Conclusion: We need a tax on old energy and a subsidy for new energy adjusted periodically until we get that result. Keep raising both the tax and the subsidy until the construction boom hits the &quot;frantic&quot; level on the crazy scale. Legislating a sense of urgency can be as simple as turning a knob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge current policy by the current result. In the US, we need to be building at least 50 GW of renewable energy per year. We are building approximately none. Conclusion: We need a tax on old energy and a subsidy for new energy adjusted periodically until we get that result. Keep raising both the tax and the subsidy until the construction boom hits the &#8220;frantic&#8221; level on the crazy scale. Legislating a sense of urgency can be as simple as turning a knob.</p>
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		<title>By: sesli chat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sesli chat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I wrote about the road to happiness as a small Indian company called DesiPower sees it. (www.bloganandi.blogspot.com) I also wrote about the way the UNFCCC climate bank will work. Readers are directed to the same blog site for the previous articles about the bank.

If we get a climate bank to implement the second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol we can all take that CSP low road to happiness. And it will be the task of our hard working delegates to the UNFCCC to take the high road - selling emission permits to polluters all over the world and disbursing the money to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I wrote about the road to happiness as a small Indian company called DesiPower sees it. (www.bloganandi.blogspot.com) I also wrote about the way the UNFCCC climate bank will work. Readers are directed to the same blog site for the previous articles about the bank.</p>
<p>If we get a climate bank to implement the second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol we can all take that CSP low road to happiness. And it will be the task of our hard working delegates to the UNFCCC to take the high road &#8211; selling emission permits to polluters all over the world and disbursing the money to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Anandi Sharan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anandi Sharan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I wrote about the road to happiness as a small Indian company called DesiPower sees it. (www.bloganandi.blogspot.com) I also wrote about the way the UNFCCC climate bank will work. Readers are directed to the same blog site for the previous articles about the bank. 

If we get a climate bank to implement the second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol we can all take that CSP low road to happiness. And it will be the task of our hard working delegates to the UNFCCC to take the high road - selling emission permits to polluters all over the world and disbursing the money to us. 

I look forward to the day when the financing mechanism of the Convention really does meet the objective of the Convention in this way. I do not think the day is far off. Here nonetheless is my short exhortation (again!) to the power that be to do the right thing. May you developed countries please learn from your past mistakes and resolve to do better this time round.

During negotiations of a Framework Convention on Climate Change, Brazil, China, India, Malaysia, Kenya, Mexico, United Republic of Tanzania, Vanuatu (for AOSIS) and Venezuela wrote a paper called “Mechanism for financial resources and technology transfer.” We said: 

“An international Climate Fund is hereby established under the authority of the Conference of the Parties which shall decide on its overall policies and operations, in particular determining priorities, criteria and selection of projects and activities to be funded. It shall be distinct and independent of other funds and international financial institutions.” This was on the 18th December 1991. By the 7th session of the INC held at New York from 15th to 20th March 1993, you developed countries had hijacked the mechanism for financial resources and thrown out these suggestions by the developing countries and the small island states. 

Instead you, the developed countries, gave us a hodge podge of “principles” cobbled together by the Global Environment Facility of the World Bank and presented on a take it or leave it basis. 

Principle I states that there is “additional grant and concessional funding of agreed incremental costs for achieving agreed global environmental benefits.” This means that we can get money from converting from coal to wind, but only if wind cost more, and only if we already have coal, and only if wind does not provide “national benefits” (see Principle II). 

Principle II states that the GEF finances activities that benefit the global environment. (“it should however be noted that there are many instances where it is difficult to distinguish global and national environmental benefits and therefore some degree of flexibility in interpreting such benefits is required.”). GEF staff are today the gods of “global benefit”. Say no more. 

Principle VI is “avoiding the creation of new institutions”. Amazing! Developed countries refuse to set up a democratic new climate bank by elevating the self-serving institutional momentum of the status quo to the status of a principle! 

And then there is Principle VII ensuring “broad and equitable representation of developed and developing countries” – not “under the authority of the Conference of the Parties” of course, just another gravy train for those who are willing to play the game. 

You can see that the GEF has been a joke. It only has as much money as you developed countries have dribbled into it. It has served the interests of its staff; but no net emission reductions have taken place through the climate funds of the GEF. This is incredible but true. The GEF has not contributed one jot to meeting the objective of the Convention. 

Most observers today recognize the gravity of the situation. The entire text of the fourth review of the financial mechanism of the Convention by the Subsidiary Body for Implementation, which is supposed to be ready for the twenty-ninth session of the SBI to be held later this year, is bracketed. There is no agreement on just how strongly to condemn the past performance of the GEF, or on the future course of action on financing under the Convention and throwing out the GEF. 

The disagreement is about whether a new bank should be created, whether this new bank should create “negative emissions”, (i.e. whether the bank should sell emission permits on the polluter-pays principle), whether the bank should have the right to sell such permits in all countries where pollution is taking place and where polluters must gradually reduce their pollution, and whether the quantum of permits should be limited tightly enough to meet the objectives of the Convention, say a cap of 80% reduction against 1990 levels by 2050. Of course we developing countries all think these ideas are good as we have done since 1991. But there is disagreement because, well, for a start, a new bank would after all be contrary to the GEF principle VI “avoiding the creation of new institutions”! More importantly, you developed countries are not willing to share the fines and sales revenue from your polluters with the non-polluters of this planet. 

The simple fact is that a new bank is the only way to meet the objective of the Convention. Developing countries know this, and welcome it; but you developed countries are scared.

As you know,

“The ultimate objective of this Convention and any related legal instruments that the Conference of the Parties may adopt is to achieve, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Convention, stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system. Such a level should be achieved within a time-frame sufficient to allow ecosystems to adapt naturally to climate change, to ensure that food production is not threatened and to enable economic development to proceed in a sustainable manner.”

This is a hugely challenging objective. It is why you developed countries have wasted 18 years of precious time. 

It is my daughter’s entire lifetime. 

In this period you have deprived us of valuable revenue raised by the bank through the polluter-pays principle. We have polluted, as have you. You have not taken the lead and you did not put in place innovative financing mechanisms as we suggested.

In the second commitment period there simply must be a link now created between abatement and financial resources. The financing mechanism of the Convention must now be based on the polluter-pays principle. We do not at the moment have a financial mechanism under the Convention based on the polluter-pays principle. We just have dribs and drabs as hand-outs through the GEF.

Your America delegate at the Working Group on Long Term Cooperation recentkly said that the Climate Convention is not a development Convention! Are you all mad? Is energy not about development? Hav eyou not stolen your national development from us by polluting your way to luxury? And now you are not willing to allow the UN to sell permits to your polluters in an effort to reduce your pollution? Are you mad? You have not done anything for 17 years, and yet you do not want to have an internaitonal authority control you?

And as a consequence pollution has skyrocketed since we first started creating the FCCC. 

We have seen you developed countries fail miserably in meeting your commitments in the first commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol. 

The polluters in your national territories are allowed to create their own emission permit price and this is the reason why the first commitment period is a failure. 

There has been no reason not to pollute. A 20 Euro per tonne of carbon dioxide price has been much too low to deter polluters.

The simple fact is that there is a reason why the United Nations was invented. The reason is the inherent selfishness of nations. Nations of their own accord do not penalize their own citizens or their own legal entities such as corporations because in a democracy by definition the state is the representative of those very same entities. International laws are therefore there to take care of things that have to be taken care of at a supra-national level where nations must submit to higher authority. 

Today the most important international institutions are the World Trade Organization, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the UNFCCC. Of these the NPT and the UNFCCC are the most important. I believe that if we can reach agreement on the UNFCCC then the NPT may also be possible. If the UNFCCC is taken care of the WTO will anyway automatically fall into place. But if the UNFCCC is not given real authority its objectives cannot be met; and well, in that case I suppose we will not be able to take the high road or the low road to happiness.

Conclusion: There is an urgent need now for a bank that can enforce the polluter pays principle globally. The climate bank will set emission permit prices (the price would not float as it does in the markets operated by polluters in the EU and the USA and Canada today), and the income from the permits will be distributed to all national governments whether developed or developing on the basis of population. 

In this way developed and developing countries get equal access to the revenue from taxing global polluters and can implement clean technologies such as CSP.  

The SBI text is quite some way from this idea. Developed countries do not agree that there is “the need to explore innovative means to increase the scale of international financing to climate change to enhance actions in developing countries;” or that there is a need to “Underlin(e) the importance of an effective financial mechanism of the Convention for enhanced action on the provision of financial resources and investment to support action on mitigation and adaptation and technology cooperation under the Bali Action Plan”; or that the SBI “decides that the review of the financial mechanism should be comprehensive and oriented to the needs of non-Annex I Parties for funding for mitigation and adaptation activities, as well as technology development and transfer.”

There is really nothing more to be said. Either you developed countries are interested in meeting the objectives of the Convention or you are not. If you are, you must learn to cooperate. 

It is praiseworthy that United States of America Presidential candidate Obama has committed to an 80% greenhouse gas emission reduction by 2050. 

But is he willing to appoint the new UNFCCC-led climate bank as the only authorized agency to sell emission permits in the sovereign territory of the United States of America? 

If yes we can meet the objective of the Convention because all countries will get a part of the funds raised by selling scarce and valuable pollution permits. 

If not, we have business as usual, with you developed countries continuing to profit unilaterally from your ill-won gains of the past and spending our money on clean technology as and when you want to look good; and we developing countries will continue to struggle to catch up in the global market place with or without climate friendly technologies, as we unilaterally see fit and depending on what we can afford. 

I do think this time round, with a new US President, we will get cooperation. Cooperation is rational, and acting rationally is a wonderful thing. The delegates to the climate bank of the Convention will take the high road to happiness and we will take the low road. We will all get a jobs in clean energy out of this ---  and I am sure we will even find a niche for the ex-staffers of the GEF somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I wrote about the road to happiness as a small Indian company called DesiPower sees it. (www.bloganandi.blogspot.com) I also wrote about the way the UNFCCC climate bank will work. Readers are directed to the same blog site for the previous articles about the bank. </p>
<p>If we get a climate bank to implement the second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol we can all take that CSP low road to happiness. And it will be the task of our hard working delegates to the UNFCCC to take the high road &#8211; selling emission permits to polluters all over the world and disbursing the money to us. </p>
<p>I look forward to the day when the financing mechanism of the Convention really does meet the objective of the Convention in this way. I do not think the day is far off. Here nonetheless is my short exhortation (again!) to the power that be to do the right thing. May you developed countries please learn from your past mistakes and resolve to do better this time round.</p>
<p>During negotiations of a Framework Convention on Climate Change, Brazil, China, India, Malaysia, Kenya, Mexico, United Republic of Tanzania, Vanuatu (for AOSIS) and Venezuela wrote a paper called “Mechanism for financial resources and technology transfer.” We said: </p>
<p>“An international Climate Fund is hereby established under the authority of the Conference of the Parties which shall decide on its overall policies and operations, in particular determining priorities, criteria and selection of projects and activities to be funded. It shall be distinct and independent of other funds and international financial institutions.” This was on the 18th December 1991. By the 7th session of the INC held at New York from 15th to 20th March 1993, you developed countries had hijacked the mechanism for financial resources and thrown out these suggestions by the developing countries and the small island states. </p>
<p>Instead you, the developed countries, gave us a hodge podge of “principles” cobbled together by the Global Environment Facility of the World Bank and presented on a take it or leave it basis. </p>
<p>Principle I states that there is “additional grant and concessional funding of agreed incremental costs for achieving agreed global environmental benefits.” This means that we can get money from converting from coal to wind, but only if wind cost more, and only if we already have coal, and only if wind does not provide “national benefits” (see Principle II). </p>
<p>Principle II states that the GEF finances activities that benefit the global environment. (“it should however be noted that there are many instances where it is difficult to distinguish global and national environmental benefits and therefore some degree of flexibility in interpreting such benefits is required.”). GEF staff are today the gods of “global benefit”. Say no more. </p>
<p>Principle VI is “avoiding the creation of new institutions”. Amazing! Developed countries refuse to set up a democratic new climate bank by elevating the self-serving institutional momentum of the status quo to the status of a principle! </p>
<p>And then there is Principle VII ensuring “broad and equitable representation of developed and developing countries” – not “under the authority of the Conference of the Parties” of course, just another gravy train for those who are willing to play the game. </p>
<p>You can see that the GEF has been a joke. It only has as much money as you developed countries have dribbled into it. It has served the interests of its staff; but no net emission reductions have taken place through the climate funds of the GEF. This is incredible but true. The GEF has not contributed one jot to meeting the objective of the Convention. </p>
<p>Most observers today recognize the gravity of the situation. The entire text of the fourth review of the financial mechanism of the Convention by the Subsidiary Body for Implementation, which is supposed to be ready for the twenty-ninth session of the SBI to be held later this year, is bracketed. There is no agreement on just how strongly to condemn the past performance of the GEF, or on the future course of action on financing under the Convention and throwing out the GEF. </p>
<p>The disagreement is about whether a new bank should be created, whether this new bank should create “negative emissions”, (i.e. whether the bank should sell emission permits on the polluter-pays principle), whether the bank should have the right to sell such permits in all countries where pollution is taking place and where polluters must gradually reduce their pollution, and whether the quantum of permits should be limited tightly enough to meet the objectives of the Convention, say a cap of 80% reduction against 1990 levels by 2050. Of course we developing countries all think these ideas are good as we have done since 1991. But there is disagreement because, well, for a start, a new bank would after all be contrary to the GEF principle VI “avoiding the creation of new institutions”! More importantly, you developed countries are not willing to share the fines and sales revenue from your polluters with the non-polluters of this planet. </p>
<p>The simple fact is that a new bank is the only way to meet the objective of the Convention. Developing countries know this, and welcome it; but you developed countries are scared.</p>
<p>As you know,</p>
<p>“The ultimate objective of this Convention and any related legal instruments that the Conference of the Parties may adopt is to achieve, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Convention, stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system. Such a level should be achieved within a time-frame sufficient to allow ecosystems to adapt naturally to climate change, to ensure that food production is not threatened and to enable economic development to proceed in a sustainable manner.”</p>
<p>This is a hugely challenging objective. It is why you developed countries have wasted 18 years of precious time. </p>
<p>It is my daughter’s entire lifetime. </p>
<p>In this period you have deprived us of valuable revenue raised by the bank through the polluter-pays principle. We have polluted, as have you. You have not taken the lead and you did not put in place innovative financing mechanisms as we suggested.</p>
<p>In the second commitment period there simply must be a link now created between abatement and financial resources. The financing mechanism of the Convention must now be based on the polluter-pays principle. We do not at the moment have a financial mechanism under the Convention based on the polluter-pays principle. We just have dribs and drabs as hand-outs through the GEF.</p>
<p>Your America delegate at the Working Group on Long Term Cooperation recentkly said that the Climate Convention is not a development Convention! Are you all mad? Is energy not about development? Hav eyou not stolen your national development from us by polluting your way to luxury? And now you are not willing to allow the UN to sell permits to your polluters in an effort to reduce your pollution? Are you mad? You have not done anything for 17 years, and yet you do not want to have an internaitonal authority control you?</p>
<p>And as a consequence pollution has skyrocketed since we first started creating the FCCC. </p>
<p>We have seen you developed countries fail miserably in meeting your commitments in the first commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol. </p>
<p>The polluters in your national territories are allowed to create their own emission permit price and this is the reason why the first commitment period is a failure. </p>
<p>There has been no reason not to pollute. A 20 Euro per tonne of carbon dioxide price has been much too low to deter polluters.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that there is a reason why the United Nations was invented. The reason is the inherent selfishness of nations. Nations of their own accord do not penalize their own citizens or their own legal entities such as corporations because in a democracy by definition the state is the representative of those very same entities. International laws are therefore there to take care of things that have to be taken care of at a supra-national level where nations must submit to higher authority. </p>
<p>Today the most important international institutions are the World Trade Organization, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the UNFCCC. Of these the NPT and the UNFCCC are the most important. I believe that if we can reach agreement on the UNFCCC then the NPT may also be possible. If the UNFCCC is taken care of the WTO will anyway automatically fall into place. But if the UNFCCC is not given real authority its objectives cannot be met; and well, in that case I suppose we will not be able to take the high road or the low road to happiness.</p>
<p>Conclusion: There is an urgent need now for a bank that can enforce the polluter pays principle globally. The climate bank will set emission permit prices (the price would not float as it does in the markets operated by polluters in the EU and the USA and Canada today), and the income from the permits will be distributed to all national governments whether developed or developing on the basis of population. </p>
<p>In this way developed and developing countries get equal access to the revenue from taxing global polluters and can implement clean technologies such as CSP.  </p>
<p>The SBI text is quite some way from this idea. Developed countries do not agree that there is “the need to explore innovative means to increase the scale of international financing to climate change to enhance actions in developing countries;” or that there is a need to “Underlin(e) the importance of an effective financial mechanism of the Convention for enhanced action on the provision of financial resources and investment to support action on mitigation and adaptation and technology cooperation under the Bali Action Plan”; or that the SBI “decides that the review of the financial mechanism should be comprehensive and oriented to the needs of non-Annex I Parties for funding for mitigation and adaptation activities, as well as technology development and transfer.”</p>
<p>There is really nothing more to be said. Either you developed countries are interested in meeting the objectives of the Convention or you are not. If you are, you must learn to cooperate. </p>
<p>It is praiseworthy that United States of America Presidential candidate Obama has committed to an 80% greenhouse gas emission reduction by 2050. </p>
<p>But is he willing to appoint the new UNFCCC-led climate bank as the only authorized agency to sell emission permits in the sovereign territory of the United States of America? </p>
<p>If yes we can meet the objective of the Convention because all countries will get a part of the funds raised by selling scarce and valuable pollution permits. </p>
<p>If not, we have business as usual, with you developed countries continuing to profit unilaterally from your ill-won gains of the past and spending our money on clean technology as and when you want to look good; and we developing countries will continue to struggle to catch up in the global market place with or without climate friendly technologies, as we unilaterally see fit and depending on what we can afford. </p>
<p>I do think this time round, with a new US President, we will get cooperation. Cooperation is rational, and acting rationally is a wonderful thing. The delegates to the climate bank of the Convention will take the high road to happiness and we will take the low road. We will all get a jobs in clean energy out of this &#8212;  and I am sure we will even find a niche for the ex-staffers of the GEF somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul K, what the US grid looks like in 2030?  That depends on what politicians the US elects in the 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, ..., 2020.  I think political predictions say more about the seer than the future, so I think I&#039;ll decline to guess the way those elections go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul K, what the US grid looks like in 2030?  That depends on what politicians the US elects in the 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, &#8230;, 2020.  I think political predictions say more about the seer than the future, so I think I&#8217;ll decline to guess the way those elections go.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do remember that 20 years ago some efficient freezers and refrigerators did sell with DC powered motors.   I don&#039;t know if they still do. 

DC windturbines also have some advantages such as the blades can rotate at variable speeds.   But there were disadvantages also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do remember that 20 years ago some efficient freezers and refrigerators did sell with DC powered motors.   I don&#8217;t know if they still do. </p>
<p>DC windturbines also have some advantages such as the blades can rotate at variable speeds.   But there were disadvantages also.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul K:  what should the grid look like in 2030?   Here&#039;s my favorite so far:  a one megawatt DC grid connects CSP sources, mostly in the desert Southwest, and wind farms, mostly in the Dakotas to Texas wind belt, to all of North America.  And all new buildings have integrated PV for onsite power while the sun shines.

Wind and solar form a diversified portfolio, distributed by a smart grid with near real-time pricing.

How&#039;s that for starters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul K:  what should the grid look like in 2030?   Here&#8217;s my favorite so far:  a one megawatt DC grid connects CSP sources, mostly in the desert Southwest, and wind farms, mostly in the Dakotas to Texas wind belt, to all of North America.  And all new buildings have integrated PV for onsite power while the sun shines.</p>
<p>Wind and solar form a diversified portfolio, distributed by a smart grid with near real-time pricing.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for starters?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to glance back at Joe&#039;s 8/30/2007 post on CSP
http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/30/the-solar-power-you-dont-hear-about/
and noted a couple excellent comments from Earl Killian about PV and CSP, including the first mention of Ausra (a CSP startup) I had seen.   So it is wonderful  to see Mr. Killian commenting here again!

My favorite comment is his offhand suggestion that instead of including inverters with PV systems that:   &quot;all those ugly power bricks (which are AC to DC converters) plugged into the wall could go away if we had a DC standard for homes.&quot;

And once we integrate PV into roofing systems, the installation cost goes way down (possibly even negative).  Put this together with Nanosolar daring to  talk about PV at $1/watt and PV looks unstoppable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to glance back at Joe&#8217;s 8/30/2007 post on CSP<br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/30/the-solar-power-you-dont-hear-about/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>08/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>30/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>the-solar-power-you-dont-hear-about/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a><br />
and noted a couple excellent comments from Earl Killian about PV and CSP, including the first mention of Ausra (a CSP startup) I had seen.   So it is wonderful  to see Mr. Killian commenting here again!</p>
<p>My favorite comment is his offhand suggestion that instead of including inverters with PV systems that:   &#8220;all those ugly power bricks (which are AC to DC converters) plugged into the wall could go away if we had a DC standard for homes.&#8221;</p>
<p>And once we integrate PV into roofing systems, the installation cost goes way down (possibly even negative).  Put this together with Nanosolar daring to  talk about PV at $1/watt and PV looks unstoppable.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earl Killian,
Do you have a take on what the grid will have to look like in 2030 and beyond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl Killian,<br />
Do you have a take on what the grid will have to look like in 2030 and beyond?</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Hoexter, California&#039;s RPS appears to be working.  Why do you say &quot;As of yet, RPS plus tax credits have not been a secure policy environment.&quot;?

Examples of California RPS CSP projects:
500-850MW SCE with Stirling Energy Systems
300-900MW SDG&amp;E with Stirling Energy Systems
177MW PG&amp;E with Ausra
533MW PG&amp;E with Solel
500MW PG&amp;E with BrightSource

SCE also has 1021MW from wind, 892MW from geothermal, and 221MW from biomass.

The biggest issue in RPS is making the transmission capability available.  California has efforts to make that happen.  There is an effort for 4500MW of wind energy transmission from Tehachapi, for example.

I&#039;ve left out a lot.  This is just a sampler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Hoexter, California&#8217;s RPS appears to be working.  Why do you say &#8220;As of yet, RPS plus tax credits have not been a secure policy environment.&#8221;?</p>
<p>Examples of California RPS CSP projects:<br />
500-850MW SCE with Stirling Energy Systems<br />
300-900MW SDG&amp;E with Stirling Energy Systems<br />
177MW PG&amp;E with Ausra<br />
533MW PG&amp;E with Solel<br />
500MW PG&amp;E with BrightSource</p>
<p>SCE also has 1021MW from wind, 892MW from geothermal, and 221MW from biomass.</p>
<p>The biggest issue in RPS is making the transmission capability available.  California has efforts to make that happen.  There is an effort for 4500MW of wind energy transmission from Tehachapi, for example.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve left out a lot.  This is just a sampler.</p>
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