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		<title>By: JCH</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11089</link>
		<author>JCH</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>NOAA raised this wooden contraption on Mt. Suribachi in 1945:

http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/events/wwii/iwo_jima650.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOAA raised this wooden contraption on Mt. Suribachi in 1945:</p>
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		<title>By: HumansFirst - EarthSecond</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11090</link>
		<author>HumansFirst - EarthSecond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Time Magazine can’t seem to make up its mind on climate change.

Here are excerpts from the Jun 24, 1974, Time Magazine, entitled: "Another Ice Age?":

“Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.”

“Whatever the cause of the cooling trend, its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth's surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years.”

And the list of gloom and doom goes on in the article.  Now that global warming is in vogue, (and the same gloom and doom) Time has jumped on the bandwagon again, because it sells.  And people fall for it.  How sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time Magazine can’t seem to make up its mind on climate change.</p>
<p>Here are excerpts from the Jun 24, 1974, Time Magazine, entitled: &#8220;Another Ice Age?&#8221;:</p>
<p>“Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.”</p>
<p>“Whatever the cause of the cooling trend, its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth&#8217;s surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years.”</p>
<p>And the list of gloom and doom goes on in the article.  Now that global warming is in vogue, (and the same gloom and doom) Time has jumped on the bandwagon again, because it sells.  And people fall for it.  How sad.</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11093</link>
		<author>A Siegel</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow, Time Magazine wrote an article with a question mark as part of the title 34 years ago.  Wow.  Shouldn't ever, no, change one's opinion in the face of gathered data, analysis, and evolution of scientific knowledge. (Oops, evolution a taboo subject???)  

What is sad is your obstinate refusal to look at the world around you with open eyes and allow evidence / fact to influence you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Time Magazine wrote an article with a question mark as part of the title 34 years ago.  Wow.  Shouldn&#8217;t ever, no, change one&#8217;s opinion in the face of gathered data, analysis, and evolution of scientific knowledge. (Oops, evolution a taboo subject???)  </p>
<p>What is sad is your obstinate refusal to look at the world around you with open eyes and allow evidence / fact to influence you.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11095</link>
		<author>David</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HumansFirst, Time magazine can't make up their mind about anything. They claim they care so very, very much about the planet, but have no problem running advertisements for SUVs, airlines, and overseas travel destinations. They also have no problem running pieces like the following on their website, "The Luxury Index A to Z":

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1566643,00.html

Isn't this the very kind of stuff that's supposedly wrecking the planet?

And they also don't seem to have any problem with all the so-called greenhouse gases that are emitted creating, and transporting their magazine to various retail locations around the world.

But then I'm old, bitter, and cynical. I'm sure Time will prove how much they really care by shutting down their operations, laying off all their staff, selling all their assets and donating the proceeds to some "save the rainforest" organization. It will be a wonderful example for us all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HumansFirst, Time magazine can&#8217;t make up their mind about anything. They claim they care so very, very much about the planet, but have no problem running advertisements for SUVs, airlines, and overseas travel destinations. They also have no problem running pieces like the following on their website, &#8220;The Luxury Index A to Z&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1566643,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>time/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>magazine/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>0,9171,1566643,00.html</a></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this the very kind of stuff that&#8217;s supposedly wrecking the planet?</p>
<p>And they also don&#8217;t seem to have any problem with all the so-called greenhouse gases that are emitted creating, and transporting their magazine to various retail locations around the world.</p>
<p>But then I&#8217;m old, bitter, and cynical. I&#8217;m sure Time will prove how much they really care by shutting down their operations, laying off all their staff, selling all their assets and donating the proceeds to some &#8220;save the rainforest&#8221; organization. It will be a wonderful example for us all. <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tommaso Boggia, Campus Progress</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11102</link>
		<author>Tommaso Boggia, Campus Progress</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11102</guid>
					<description>"Industry offers its plans, which too often would fix little. Environmentalists offer theirs, which too often amount to naive wish lists that could cripple America's growth... What would an aggressive, ambitious, effective plan look like—one that would leave us both environmentally safe and economically sound?"

Joe, was this the part you take issue with? He portrays the debate on very simplistic terms, making it sound as if all enviros are tree-hugging granola crunchers who want us all to go back to the land. If you look at the plans from Sierra Club, Green for All, Environment America and most other 'environmentalists', they always take the economy into account and base their claims with research going back to the recently-reconsidered optimistic Stern Report. 

Funny how between expert environmentalists and corporate advocates, the real solution supposedly comes from a journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Industry offers its plans, which too often would fix little. Environmentalists offer theirs, which too often amount to naive wish lists that could cripple America&#8217;s growth&#8230; What would an aggressive, ambitious, effective plan look like—one that would leave us both environmentally safe and economically sound?&#8221;</p>
<p>Joe, was this the part you take issue with? He portrays the debate on very simplistic terms, making it sound as if all enviros are tree-hugging granola crunchers who want us all to go back to the land. If you look at the plans from Sierra Club, Green for All, Environment America and most other &#8216;environmentalists&#8217;, they always take the economy into account and base their claims with research going back to the recently-reconsidered optimistic Stern Report. </p>
<p>Funny how between expert environmentalists and corporate advocates, the real solution supposedly comes from a journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: danny bloom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11103</link>
		<author>danny bloom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bryan Walsh used to be TIME's bureau chief in the Tokyo office, and he now seems to have been elevated to the magazine's global warming beat. Good reporter, good eye. Thanks for the heads up on this cover story, Joe. Love that cover, shades of WWII and all.

But hey, TIME, a mere tree raised again on a forsake island in the middle of nowhere is not going to save us from the coming problems associated with CO2 emissions. We are talking about the possible extinction of the human species 500 years from now, and TIME does a iconic photo cover? No wonder Bryan Walsh never replies to any of my emails about the polar cities project... By the way, if anyone wants to contact any reporter or editor at TIME, all you have to do is write their email address like this:
[first name] [underline] [last name] AT timeinc DOT com

So Robert Enders, for example, would be:

robert_enders@timeinc.com

It's a good way keep the news a two-way street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Walsh used to be TIME&#8217;s bureau chief in the Tokyo office, and he now seems to have been elevated to the magazine&#8217;s global warming beat. Good reporter, good eye. Thanks for the heads up on this cover story, Joe. Love that cover, shades of WWII and all.</p>
<p>But hey, TIME, a mere tree raised again on a forsake island in the middle of nowhere is not going to save us from the coming problems associated with CO2 emissions. We are talking about the possible extinction of the human species 500 years from now, and TIME does a iconic photo cover? No wonder Bryan Walsh never replies to any of my emails about the polar cities project&#8230; By the way, if anyone wants to contact any reporter or editor at TIME, all you have to do is write their email address like this:<br />
[first name] [underline] [last name] AT timeinc DOT com</p>
<p>So Robert Enders, for example, would be:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:robert_enders@timeinc.com">robert_enders@timeinc.com</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good way keep the news a two-way street.</p>
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		<title>By: danny bloom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11104</link>
		<author>danny bloom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11104</guid>
					<description>So the ME would be

Richard_Stengel@timeinc.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the ME would be</p>
<p><a href="mailto:Richard_Stengel@timeinc.com">Richard_Stengel@timeinc.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: danny bloom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11106</link>
		<author>danny bloom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The day TIME or NEWSWEEK do a cover story on ADAPTATION stratgeies for survivors of global warming 30 generations down the pike, rather than mitigation now for a "green" planet, magazine borders and all, nice touch, is the day they will take a step forward. But that won't happen for at least another 50 years, or more, probabaly for the 2099 issue....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day TIME or NEWSWEEK do a cover story on ADAPTATION stratgeies for survivors of global warming 30 generations down the pike, rather than mitigation now for a &#8220;green&#8221; planet, magazine borders and all, nice touch, is the day they will take a step forward. But that won&#8217;t happen for at least another 50 years, or more, probabaly for the 2099 issue&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Sorensen</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11107</link>
		<author>Kirk Sorensen</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;3) Vigorously support research and development into the new forms of alternative energy that will truly make a difference.&lt;/i&gt;

...like thorium!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>3) Vigorously support research and development into the new forms of alternative energy that will truly make a difference.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;like thorium!</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/an-early-look-at-the-time-cover-story-on-winning-the-war-on-global-warming/#comment-11110</link>
		<author>Earl Killian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For comparison, here the article "One Big Greenhouse" from the May 28, 1956 (note the year--it is not a typo) issue of Time, almost 52 years ago:

Since the start of the industrial revolution, mankind has been burning fossil fuel (coal, oil, etc.) and adding its carbon to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide. In 50 years or so this process, says Director Roger Revelle of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, may have a violent effect on the earth's climate.

The temperature of the earth's surface depends largely on two minor constituents of the atmosphere: water vapor and carbon dioxide. They are transparent to the short-wave energy (light and near infrared) that comes from the sun, but opaque to most of the long-wave heat radiation that tries to return to space. This "greenhouse effect" traps heat and makes the earth's surface considerably warmer than it would be if the atmosphere had no water vapor or carbon dioxide in it. An increase in either constituent would make it warmer still. Warm eras in the geological past may have been caused by CO2 from volcanoes.

At present the atmosphere contains 2.35 trillion tons of carbon dioxide, existing in equilibrium with living plants and sea water (which tends to dissolve it). Up to 1860, man's fires added only about 500 million tons per year, and the atmosphere had no trouble in getting rid of this small amount. But each year more furnaces and engines poured CO2 into the atmosphere. In 1900, the amount was 3 billion tons. By 1950, it was 9 billion tons. By 2010, if present trends continue, 47 billion tons of carbon dioxide will enter the air each year.

This will be only 2% of the total carbon dioxide, but if it is more than can be dissolved by the oceans or absorbed by plants or minerals, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere will tend to increase. The greenhouse effect will be intensified. Some scientists believe that this is the cause of recent warming of the earth's climate. Dr. Revelle has his doubts.

In the future, if the blanket of CO2 produces a temperature rise of only one or two degrees, a chain of secondary effects may come into play. As the air gets warmer, sea water will get warmer too, and CO2 dissolved in it will return to the atmosphere. More water will evaporate from the warm ocean, and this will increase the greenhouse effect of the CO2. Each effect will reinforce the other, possibly raising the temperature enough to melt the icecaps of Antarctica and Greenland, which would flood the earth's coastal lands.

Dr. Revelle has not reached the stage of warning against this catastrophe, but he and other geophysicists intend to keep watching and recording. During the International Geophysical Year (1957-58), teams of scientists will take inventory of the earth's CO2 and observe how it shifts between air and sea. They will try to find out whether the CO2 blanket has been growing thicker, and what the effect has been. When all their data have been studied, they may be able to predict whether man's factory chimneys and auto exhausts will eventually cause salt water to flow in the streets of New York and London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For comparison, here the article &#8220;One Big Greenhouse&#8221; from the May 28, 1956 (note the year&#8211;it is not a typo) issue of Time, almost 52 years ago:</p>
<p>Since the start of the industrial revolution, mankind has been burning fossil fuel (coal, oil, etc.) and adding its carbon to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide. In 50 years or so this process, says Director Roger Revelle of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, may have a violent effect on the earth&#8217;s climate.</p>
<p>The temperature of the earth&#8217;s surface depends largely on two minor constituents of the atmosphere: water vapor and carbon dioxide. They are transparent to the short-wave energy (light and near infrared) that comes from the sun, but opaque to most of the long-wave heat radiation that tries to return to space. This &#8220;greenhouse effect&#8221; traps heat and makes the earth&#8217;s surface considerably warmer than it would be if the atmosphere had no water vapor or carbon dioxide in it. An increase in either constituent would make it warmer still. Warm eras in the geological past may have been caused by CO2 from volcanoes.</p>
<p>At present the atmosphere contains 2.35 trillion tons of carbon dioxide, existing in equilibrium with living plants and sea water (which tends to dissolve it). Up to 1860, man&#8217;s fires added only about 500 million tons per year, and the atmosphere had no trouble in getting rid of this small amount. But each year more furnaces and engines poured CO2 into the atmosphere. In 1900, the amount was 3 billion tons. By 1950, it was 9 billion tons. By 2010, if present trends continue, 47 billion tons of carbon dioxide will enter the air each year.</p>
<p>This will be only 2% of the total carbon dioxide, but if it is more than can be dissolved by the oceans or absorbed by plants or minerals, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere will tend to increase. The greenhouse effect will be intensified. Some scientists believe that this is the cause of recent warming of the earth&#8217;s climate. Dr. Revelle has his doubts.</p>
<p>In the future, if the blanket of CO2 produces a temperature rise of only one or two degrees, a chain of secondary effects may come into play. As the air gets warmer, sea water will get warmer too, and CO2 dissolved in it will return to the atmosphere. More water will evaporate from the warm ocean, and this will increase the greenhouse effect of the CO2. Each effect will reinforce the other, possibly raising the temperature enough to melt the icecaps of Antarctica and Greenland, which would flood the earth&#8217;s coastal lands.</p>
<p>Dr. Revelle has not reached the stage of warning against this catastrophe, but he and other geophysicists intend to keep watching and recording. During the International Geophysical Year (1957-58), teams of scientists will take inventory of the earth&#8217;s CO2 and observe how it shifts between air and sea. They will try to find out whether the CO2 blanket has been growing thicker, and what the effect has been. When all their data have been studied, they may be able to predict whether man&#8217;s factory chimneys and auto exhausts will eventually cause salt water to flow in the streets of New York and London.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tommaso:  Great find.  I missed that.  What a classic MSM paragraph.  I'll give you HM.  But I had another graf in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommaso:  Great find.  I missed that.  What a classic MSM paragraph.  I&#8217;ll give you HM.  But I had another graf in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: exusian</title>
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		<author>exusian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HumansFirst - EarthSecond

The former are entirely dependent on the health of the latter.
The reverse is not true.</description>
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<p>The former are entirely dependent on the health of the latter.<br />
The reverse is not true.</p>
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