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		<title>By: Ohio find a business</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-68916</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohio find a business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a blog filled with vital and important information this is .. It must have taken a lot of hours for you to write these yourself. Hats off from me for your hard work. My blog http://www.squidoo.com/car-loan-deals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a blog filled with vital and important information this is .. It must have taken a lot of hours for you to write these yourself. Hats off from me for your hard work. My blog <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/car-loan-deals" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/car-loan-deals</a></p>
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		<title>By: make solar energy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-46088</link>
		<dc:creator>make solar energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very useful blog Will definitely come back again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful blog Will definitely come back again</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-14017</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evidence is mounting that the problem is not as severe as the more hysterical proponents would have you  believe re: MMGW.  The reality is that this issue has been adopted by those that hate capitalism and freedon as the battering ram for destroying the western liberal economies, they have fooled eve the liberals.

Unfortunately for the elites leading the charge, those of us in the U.S. that make this country function are not quite the bitter, gun-toting, bible clinging fools you believe us to be.  This bill in this form will never see the light of passage. The more shocking result will be you will see us lead the worl in reducing our emissions, it is just not that we will cut our own throats to do it.

For the eleites to propose a bill that woudl take money (arbitrarily) form our pockets and send it to China, India and the like to shut down minimally producing dirty pseudo-shops for paymenst that they use to build 1 coal fired plant a week in planning for the arrival of the exodus of jobs from the U.S. (based on passage of this bill).  Well, if you believe that, you all are the bitter fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence is mounting that the problem is not as severe as the more hysterical proponents would have you  believe re: MMGW.  The reality is that this issue has been adopted by those that hate capitalism and freedon as the battering ram for destroying the western liberal economies, they have fooled eve the liberals.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the elites leading the charge, those of us in the U.S. that make this country function are not quite the bitter, gun-toting, bible clinging fools you believe us to be.  This bill in this form will never see the light of passage. The more shocking result will be you will see us lead the worl in reducing our emissions, it is just not that we will cut our own throats to do it.</p>
<p>For the eleites to propose a bill that woudl take money (arbitrarily) form our pockets and send it to China, India and the like to shut down minimally producing dirty pseudo-shops for paymenst that they use to build 1 coal fired plant a week in planning for the arrival of the exodus of jobs from the U.S. (based on passage of this bill).  Well, if you believe that, you all are the bitter fools.</p>
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		<title>By: joe blow from ohio</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-13930</link>
		<dc:creator>joe blow from ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Lee and JEM!  There is rationality out there even on a global doom and gloom website. Forget your political persuasion and face the facts. ANY program, drempt up by lawyers in DC, that costs you and me, our children and grandchildren close to $7.0 trillion dollars over the next forty years is an abomination. Hell, even the EPA estimates have electricity prices rising 40+% by 2030 under the bill. This, on top of stealth tax of $7 trillion, will put most people in the poorhouse. Let&#039;s rename this &quot;Green Pig&quot; (environmental pork, if you&#039;re wondering) the heave ho or at least rename it the Let&#039;s See If We Can Outsource The Entire US Economy Act.  Clean air and water always deserves serious attention but Global Warming/Cooling, Climate Change(often refered to as &quot;weather&quot;) come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Lee and JEM!  There is rationality out there even on a global doom and gloom website. Forget your political persuasion and face the facts. ANY program, drempt up by lawyers in DC, that costs you and me, our children and grandchildren close to $7.0 trillion dollars over the next forty years is an abomination. Hell, even the EPA estimates have electricity prices rising 40+% by 2030 under the bill. This, on top of stealth tax of $7 trillion, will put most people in the poorhouse. Let&#8217;s rename this &#8220;Green Pig&#8221; (environmental pork, if you&#8217;re wondering) the heave ho or at least rename it the Let&#8217;s See If We Can Outsource The Entire US Economy Act.  Clean air and water always deserves serious attention but Global Warming/Cooling, Climate Change(often refered to as &#8220;weather&#8221;) come on.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-13880</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not that ordinary people are not WILLING to pay more....it is that they CANNOT AFFORD to pay more. 

When those in cities talk about driving less, they seem to somehow forget that there is NO mass transit out in the country. You know, the farming areas where your food is grown? Where corn, wheat, fruit, vegetables, soybeans, sugarcane, sunflowers, cows, pigs, chickens, eggs, etc. are grown/raised. So, stop punishing all those trying to earn a living, those trying to get by, those trying just to hold on to the little house they bought outside the city because they could not afford $200,000 for a small fixer-upper in a city. 

The Hollywood types &amp; media &#039;personalities&#039; do not give a damn about the ordinary people in this country. Ditto for the politicians. They feel no compunction about telling others how to live as they jet across the country to show their faces, usually for a hefty fee or award &amp; wasting far more in resources PLUS creating huge amounts of greenhouse gas emissions. They live in their &#039;do as I say, not as I do because I am a celebrity/personality/role-model and you are nobody so you don&#039;t count&#039; world.

Guess what, ordinary people are fed up. Ordinary people are working much harder than the celebrity/personality/role-model types to conserve energy &amp; resources. We are tired of empty politics &amp; short-sighted &#039;solutions&#039; that fail to correct anything &amp; generally worsen every situation.

The absolute, bottom-line reality is that ordinary people can no longer afford the world proposed by the elitists who think they are in charge. While elitists may look down their collective noses at the &#039;ordinary people&#039;, elitists are scrambling to make certain their money is off-shore &amp; they use every tax loophole. All the while patting themselves on their collective back they are educating the rest of us. They have other homes in exotic locales in which they can rest &amp; discuss how to make all of us &#039;ordinary&#039; people -- who of course don&#039;t know what we are doing or should be doing -- do things the way we are told by them &amp; believe what they tell us.

Enough is enough. The political knee-jerk reactions have to stop. The pandering to one-sided views has to stop. REAL discussions populated by ordinary people have to be heard. All sides need to be heard with the same amount of consideration. Decisions need to be made after hearing all of the evidence. Just as justice is supposed to be blind, the solutions need to be based on all evidence being heard &amp; weighed. It cannot be accomplished by who has the biggest lobby. Ordinary people do not have a lobby. That is why we are ordinary. 

Only then can REAL solutions be found for REAL problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not that ordinary people are not WILLING to pay more&#8230;.it is that they CANNOT AFFORD to pay more. </p>
<p>When those in cities talk about driving less, they seem to somehow forget that there is NO mass transit out in the country. You know, the farming areas where your food is grown? Where corn, wheat, fruit, vegetables, soybeans, sugarcane, sunflowers, cows, pigs, chickens, eggs, etc. are grown/raised. So, stop punishing all those trying to earn a living, those trying to get by, those trying just to hold on to the little house they bought outside the city because they could not afford $200,000 for a small fixer-upper in a city. </p>
<p>The Hollywood types &amp; media &#8216;personalities&#8217; do not give a damn about the ordinary people in this country. Ditto for the politicians. They feel no compunction about telling others how to live as they jet across the country to show their faces, usually for a hefty fee or award &amp; wasting far more in resources PLUS creating huge amounts of greenhouse gas emissions. They live in their &#8216;do as I say, not as I do because I am a celebrity/personality/role-model and you are nobody so you don&#8217;t count&#8217; world.</p>
<p>Guess what, ordinary people are fed up. Ordinary people are working much harder than the celebrity/personality/role-model types to conserve energy &amp; resources. We are tired of empty politics &amp; short-sighted &#8217;solutions&#8217; that fail to correct anything &amp; generally worsen every situation.</p>
<p>The absolute, bottom-line reality is that ordinary people can no longer afford the world proposed by the elitists who think they are in charge. While elitists may look down their collective noses at the &#8216;ordinary people&#8217;, elitists are scrambling to make certain their money is off-shore &amp; they use every tax loophole. All the while patting themselves on their collective back they are educating the rest of us. They have other homes in exotic locales in which they can rest &amp; discuss how to make all of us &#8216;ordinary&#8217; people &#8212; who of course don&#8217;t know what we are doing or should be doing &#8212; do things the way we are told by them &amp; believe what they tell us.</p>
<p>Enough is enough. The political knee-jerk reactions have to stop. The pandering to one-sided views has to stop. REAL discussions populated by ordinary people have to be heard. All sides need to be heard with the same amount of consideration. Decisions need to be made after hearing all of the evidence. Just as justice is supposed to be blind, the solutions need to be based on all evidence being heard &amp; weighed. It cannot be accomplished by who has the biggest lobby. Ordinary people do not have a lobby. That is why we are ordinary. </p>
<p>Only then can REAL solutions be found for REAL problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-13709</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the L-W bill will be the worst thing to happen to this economy in a long time if it passes. Everybody ready to pay 5, 6, or 7 dollars for a gallon of gas? Because that is what this bill would do. Think that would bring the economy to a halt? And for what, a man-made global warming HOAX? I found an article from Newsweek magazine from 1975, and it was about global COOLING. It said that we were gonna run out of food, and the world was gonna come to an end. (http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm). Now, why is it that we are warming now? Couldn&#039;t it be that the earth just warms and cools on its own, without mankind having an effect on it? How can we, as humans, think that we have ANY effect on nature? look at tornados, can&#039;t do anything about them. Look at hurricanes, can&#039;t do anything about them. Look at volcanos, they are gonna do what they want whether we like it or not. Bottom line is, I think that this bill is a HUGE tax increase in the guise of helping the enviroment. After all, that&#039;s all the Dem&#039;s want to do is raise taxes, and put a halt to the economy, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the L-W bill will be the worst thing to happen to this economy in a long time if it passes. Everybody ready to pay 5, 6, or 7 dollars for a gallon of gas? Because that is what this bill would do. Think that would bring the economy to a halt? And for what, a man-made global warming HOAX? I found an article from Newsweek magazine from 1975, and it was about global COOLING. It said that we were gonna run out of food, and the world was gonna come to an end. (<a href="http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm)</a>. Now, why is it that we are warming now? Couldn&#8217;t it be that the earth just warms and cools on its own, without mankind having an effect on it? How can we, as humans, think that we have ANY effect on nature? look at tornados, can&#8217;t do anything about them. Look at hurricanes, can&#8217;t do anything about them. Look at volcanos, they are gonna do what they want whether we like it or not. Bottom line is, I think that this bill is a HUGE tax increase in the guise of helping the enviroment. After all, that&#8217;s all the Dem&#8217;s want to do is raise taxes, and put a halt to the economy, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Growlybear</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-13699</link>
		<dc:creator>Growlybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s not our elected officials we need to change, it’s the American people.  In a recent poll, almost 90% of Americans are unwilling to pay any increase in fuel or electricity to help improve the environment.  No matter what we think of our government, they need to get elected.  If Jimmy SUV owner has to pay too much for gas, he’ll vote for the person who will keep it down.  When polls consistently find that nearly 70% don’t “believe” in man made climate change, what can be done to change the legislative branch of our government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not our elected officials we need to change, it’s the American people.  In a recent poll, almost 90% of Americans are unwilling to pay any increase in fuel or electricity to help improve the environment.  No matter what we think of our government, they need to get elected.  If Jimmy SUV owner has to pay too much for gas, he’ll vote for the person who will keep it down.  When polls consistently find that nearly 70% don’t “believe” in man made climate change, what can be done to change the legislative branch of our government?</p>
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		<title>By: JEM</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-12507</link>
		<dc:creator>JEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually a cooler world is a bad thing for much of life - it reduces the food growing time as you move towards the poles in each temperate zone just as a start.

There will be another ice age at some point and last I knew an advancing ice sheet is a little more problematic than an ocean forecast to rise a few centimeters.

So I could see where colder is not necessarily better, and of course in reality warmer is not necessarily bad or good - it just is. And the faster everyone remembers this, the better off we all would be. 30 or 40 years ago, all the hype was global cooling, now warming, are we in for another bunch of hysteria on cooling in another few decades? I would suggest that all the alarmists relax and quit acting the part of chicken little. Weather varies, over huge periods of time. To think that any of us, whether skeptics or believer, has enough real temperature data to make a convincing argument to warrant any massive intrusive program to combat either warming or cooling, is the epitome of hubris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually a cooler world is a bad thing for much of life &#8211; it reduces the food growing time as you move towards the poles in each temperate zone just as a start.</p>
<p>There will be another ice age at some point and last I knew an advancing ice sheet is a little more problematic than an ocean forecast to rise a few centimeters.</p>
<p>So I could see where colder is not necessarily better, and of course in reality warmer is not necessarily bad or good &#8211; it just is. And the faster everyone remembers this, the better off we all would be. 30 or 40 years ago, all the hype was global cooling, now warming, are we in for another bunch of hysteria on cooling in another few decades? I would suggest that all the alarmists relax and quit acting the part of chicken little. Weather varies, over huge periods of time. To think that any of us, whether skeptics or believer, has enough real temperature data to make a convincing argument to warrant any massive intrusive program to combat either warming or cooling, is the epitome of hubris.</p>
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		<title>By: Lowcountry</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-12305</link>
		<dc:creator>Lowcountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The final paragraph in Crustacean&#039;s post above seems to lament that a cooler world is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The final paragraph in Crustacean&#8217;s post above seems to lament that a cooler world is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Crustacean</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/08/lieberman-warner-moved-from-critical-condition-to-the-morgue/#comment-12292</link>
		<dc:creator>Crustacean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I have the bad manners to suggest that the two-house Democratic majority would not pass a bill this year even if they could arm-twist the 60 Senate votes, because their real priority is to keep the issue alive past the elections? 

Come &#039;09, you will then see a replay of what&#039;s described above--everybody with a home-state industrial interest (read: everybody) digging in to make sure his or her ox is not Gored. 

So put aside your disappointments of the moment. It is going to be a very long, unpleasant haul, especially with NO sunspots since the first of the year lasting more than 24 hours, NO net warming measured by satellite or surface stations over the past decade, the ARGO ocean buoys reporting cooler sea temperatures, NASA reporting the Pacific Decadal Oscillation having shifted into its cold phase, which might well last 30 years, Arctic sea ice recovering at a record pace, Antarctic sea ice coverage at an all-time high...I could go on and on but you get the idea. 

Don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I have the bad manners to suggest that the two-house Democratic majority would not pass a bill this year even if they could arm-twist the 60 Senate votes, because their real priority is to keep the issue alive past the elections? </p>
<p>Come &#8216;09, you will then see a replay of what&#8217;s described above&#8211;everybody with a home-state industrial interest (read: everybody) digging in to make sure his or her ox is not Gored. </p>
<p>So put aside your disappointments of the moment. It is going to be a very long, unpleasant haul, especially with NO sunspots since the first of the year lasting more than 24 hours, NO net warming measured by satellite or surface stations over the past decade, the ARGO ocean buoys reporting cooler sea temperatures, NASA reporting the Pacific Decadal Oscillation having shifted into its cold phase, which might well last 30 years, Arctic sea ice recovering at a record pace, Antarctic sea ice coverage at an all-time high&#8230;I could go on and on but you get the idea. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you?</p>
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