Comments on: The permafrost won’t be perma for long, Part 1 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13163 David B. Benson Thu, 22 May 2008 21:20:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13163 "Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble" “Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble”

]]> By: kenlevenson http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13167 kenlevenson Thu, 22 May 2008 22:44:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13167 Yes, Shakespearean tragedy. Now combine it with a dose of deadly Sellers farce: "In Dr. Strangelove, one nuclear device dropped on Siberia unleashed a thousand more. Here, in the real world of melting Arctic permafrost, one degree of global warming could unleash enough methane to raise temperatures several more degrees." Fred Pearce, With Speed and Violence, p.79. linky: (second to bottom paragraph) http://books.google.com/books?id=otocIlRRVPcC&pg=PA79&dq=Fred+Pearce,+which+meant+a+warming+effect+on+the+planet+greater+than+that+of+all+the+U.S.&ei=GfQ1SLzkDJyUywTI_5XqDw&client=firefox-a&sig=7dT3ovC7HTREtjtsHdn2l5rQUpo Yes, Shakespearean tragedy. Now combine it with a dose of deadly Sellers farce:

“In Dr. Strangelove, one nuclear device dropped on Siberia unleashed a thousand more. Here, in the real world of melting Arctic permafrost, one degree of global warming could unleash enough methane to raise temperatures several more degrees.”

Fred Pearce, With Speed and Violence, p.79.

linky: (second to bottom paragraph)
http://books.google.com/ books?id=otocIlRRVPcC&pg=PA79&dq=Fred+Pearce,+which+meant+a+warming+effect+on+the+planet+greater+than+that+of+all+the+U.S.&ei=GfQ1SLzkDJyUywTI_5XqDw&client=firefox-a&sig=7dT3ovC7HTREtjtsHdn2l5rQUpo

]]> By: kenlevenson http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13171 kenlevenson Thu, 22 May 2008 23:58:20 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13171 Let's not forget this NOAA report showing some of the most drastic warming occurring over Siberia - posted by Joe here: http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/17/noaa-the-second-warmest-march-on-record/ Let’s not forget this NOAA report showing some of the most drastic warming occurring over Siberia - posted by Joe here: http://climateprogress.org/ 2008/ 04/ 17/ noaa-the-second-warmest-march-on-record/

]]> By: Steve Bloom http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13172 Steve Bloom Fri, 23 May 2008 00:07:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13172 Joe, I wanted to make sure you were aware of this related research relating to the clathrates on the East Siberian Shelf: Der Spiegel article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,547976,00.html. Abstracts (these are from EGU 2008): http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2008/01526/EGU2008-A-01526.pdf?PHPSESSID=c0ae24c54d and http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2008/00125/EGU2008-A-00125.pdf?PHPSESSID=c0ae24c54d As far as I can tell the Spiegel article was the only press coverage, which seems odd given that the land permafrost issue has gotten a fair amount of attention. Joe, I wanted to make sure you were aware of this related research relating to the clathrates on the East Siberian Shelf:

Der Spiegel article: http://www.spiegel.de/ international/ world/ 0,1518,547976,00.html.

Abstracts (these are from EGU 2008): http://www.cosis.net/ abstracts/ EGU2008/ 01526/ EGU2008-A-01526.pdf?PHPSESSID=c0ae24c54d and http://www.cosis.net/ abstracts/ EGU2008/ 00125/ EGU2008-A-00125.pdf?PHPSESSID=c0ae24c54d

As far as I can tell the Spiegel article was the only press coverage, which seems odd given that the land permafrost issue has gotten a fair amount of attention.

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13179 Robert Fri, 23 May 2008 01:36:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13179 If I buy a Prius will that fix it? If I buy a Prius will that fix it?

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13180 David B. Benson Fri, 23 May 2008 01:40:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13180 Robert wrote "If I buy a Prius will that fix it?" Nope. Robert wrote “If I buy a Prius will that fix it?” Nope.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13194 Earl Killian Fri, 23 May 2008 03:57:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13194 The first time I learned of this issue was from a scientist at NCAR <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/060405.html" rel="nofollow">when he gave a presentation at Stanford</a>. It was a great talk; take a look at the slides for yourself. I was amazed that NCAR had a team of scientists devoted to just the permafrost portion of their global climate model (that's how detailed these things are). I was also amazed at his slide 20 (and remember GHG are exceeding all of the scenarios on that slide, they are closer to A1FI I think). But the real shocker was slide 40, where he talked about 1-4 PgC per year in <b>currently not modeled</b> feedback. That is like adding another US and China. Permafrost scientists have been raising this warning for a few years now. I wonder when we will start to listen? The first time I learned of this issue was from a scientist at NCAR when he gave a presentation at Stanford. It was a great talk; take a look at the slides for yourself. I was amazed that NCAR had a team of scientists devoted to just the permafrost portion of their global climate model (that’s how detailed these things are). I was also amazed at his slide 20 (and remember GHG are exceeding all of the scenarios on that slide, they are closer to A1FI I think). But the real shocker was slide 40, where he talked about 1-4 PgC per year in currently not modeled feedback. That is like adding another US and China.

Permafrost scientists have been raising this warning for a few years now. I wonder when we will start to listen?

]]> By: Tom G http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13195 Tom G Fri, 23 May 2008 04:38:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13195 Pandora's box opened it we have... Pandora’s box opened it we have…

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13223 Dano Fri, 23 May 2008 14:55:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13223 <i>Permafrost scientists have been raising this warning for a few years now. I wonder when we will start to listen? </i> Boy, that young guy shoulda won American Idol, don't you think? At least that Asian girl won 'Stars'. So glad the writer's strike is over, aren't you? Best, D Permafrost scientists have been raising this warning for a few years now. I wonder when we will start to listen?

Boy, that young guy shoulda won American Idol, don’t you think? At least that Asian girl won ‘Stars’. So glad the writer’s strike is over, aren’t you?

Best,

D

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13231 Earl Killian Fri, 23 May 2008 16:07:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13231 Dano, I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't watched TV for years, so I've only heard of American Idol, and never heard of Stars. Dano, I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven’t watched TV for years, so I’ve only heard of American Idol, and never heard of Stars.

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13270 Dano Fri, 23 May 2008 21:21:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13270 Earl, Apologies - I'm just illustrating the distractions away from reality that the average Murrican 'enjoys' every day. Things that they pay attention to rather than listening to what's outside. BTW, I don't own a TV either, but the future mother-in-law enjoys distractions. Best, D Earl,

Apologies - I’m just illustrating the distractions away from reality that the average Murrican ‘enjoys’ every day. Things that they pay attention to rather than listening to what’s outside.

BTW, I don’t own a TV either, but the future mother-in-law enjoys distractions.

Best,

D

]]> By: simp http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13355 simp Sun, 25 May 2008 10:27:25 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/tundra-part-1-the-permafrost-wont-be-perma-for-long/#comment-13355 Earl Killian thanks for the pdf! This is going to be BIG news in coming years - that's for sure... Earl Killian thanks for the pdf!
This is going to be BIG news in coming years - that’s for sure…

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