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	<title>Comments on: Denier, denier, planet&#8217;s on fire!</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14385</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14385</guid>
					<description>One thing I find interesting about that graph is the percent of people missing (the numbers of each only add up to about 40%) - presumably indicating a 'don't know' answer. That's a lot of people presumably not engaged in the debate at all - and doesn't show well for the Democrats either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I find interesting about that graph is the percent of people missing (the numbers of each only add up to about 40%) - presumably indicating a &#8216;don&#8217;t know&#8217; answer. That&#8217;s a lot of people presumably not engaged in the debate at all - and doesn&#8217;t show well for the Democrats either.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14386</link>
		<author>Lou Grinzo</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14386</guid>
					<description>Tom: Those graphs are showing the totals, not percentages.  The percentages are in the text just below the graph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: Those graphs are showing the totals, not percentages.  The percentages are in the text just below the graph.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14390</link>
		<author>Ronald</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14390</guid>
					<description>The same thing with TV commentators.   I watch Kudlow sometimes, and it's if he never could figure out a way that people could make money on renewable energy instead of depleatable fossil fuels.   

He does know who the people who watch his program are thinking and most probably agree with him.   Give the people what they want.  

But republicans are going to have enough troubles this fall as it looks like now.   Imagine if they had to admit that they were wrong about global warming all along.    The would be in even worse trouble.    

Which is why, even though Nuclear does have all those problems this website writes about so well, if there was just something that the deniers and delayer politicians can rally around that they were right about and could promote, it might make it easier for them to change their minds or at least be less of a loss for them.    But to be wrong about global warming and then to be wrong about the solutions to it, they are going to keep fighting ways to fix it just for their own political survivial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing with TV commentators.   I watch Kudlow sometimes, and it&#8217;s if he never could figure out a way that people could make money on renewable energy instead of depleatable fossil fuels.   </p>
<p>He does know who the people who watch his program are thinking and most probably agree with him.   Give the people what they want.  </p>
<p>But republicans are going to have enough troubles this fall as it looks like now.   Imagine if they had to admit that they were wrong about global warming all along.    The would be in even worse trouble.    </p>
<p>Which is why, even though Nuclear does have all those problems this website writes about so well, if there was just something that the deniers and delayer politicians can rally around that they were right about and could promote, it might make it easier for them to change their minds or at least be less of a loss for them.    But to be wrong about global warming and then to be wrong about the solutions to it, they are going to keep fighting ways to fix it just for their own political survivial.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14395</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14395</guid>
					<description>@ronald:

&lt;blockquote&gt;they are going to keep fighting ways to fix it just for their own political survivial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

what if nuclear is not a solution they're trying to sell. what if it's one of many red- and purple-state subsidies, including the military, on which their governance depends. what if federal subsidies are their entire economic program, as a direct (and economically unproductive) wealth transfer from tax surplus states (almost all blue) to tax deficit states.

what if, further, they decided to do this entire buying-votes project on &lt;em&gt;credit&lt;/em&gt;.

and then they did not regulate the credit industry, letting it run roughshod over everything, recreating the circumstances of 1929 -- which had its own resource-depletion disaster in the dust bowl -- except from some keynesian control measures still running?

where does one draw the line, here, on throwing these idiots a bone?

they wanted to bankrupt the government and reform the country's economy in the image of the late 19th century and by gum they got it and nobody wants any of it and again, what bone should you throw.

their &lt;em&gt;faith&lt;/em&gt; is a dead end. it isn't pro-business and it isn't pro-america. they're just &lt;em&gt;nuts&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ronald:</p>
<blockquote><p>they are going to keep fighting ways to fix it just for their own political survivial.</p></blockquote>
<p>what if nuclear is not a solution they&#8217;re trying to sell. what if it&#8217;s one of many red- and purple-state subsidies, including the military, on which their governance depends. what if federal subsidies are their entire economic program, as a direct (and economically unproductive) wealth transfer from tax surplus states (almost all blue) to tax deficit states.</p>
<p>what if, further, they decided to do this entire buying-votes project on <em>credit</em>.</p>
<p>and then they did not regulate the credit industry, letting it run roughshod over everything, recreating the circumstances of 1929 &#8212; which had its own resource-depletion disaster in the dust bowl &#8212; except from some keynesian control measures still running?</p>
<p>where does one draw the line, here, on throwing these idiots a bone?</p>
<p>they wanted to bankrupt the government and reform the country&#8217;s economy in the image of the late 19th century and by gum they got it and nobody wants any of it and again, what bone should you throw.</p>
<p>their <em>faith</em> is a dead end. it isn&#8217;t pro-business and it isn&#8217;t pro-america. they&#8217;re just <em>nuts</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14396</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14396</guid>
					<description>democrats have contributed to this. democrats fell hook, line, sinker for the deregulation of finance and the securitization of services and infrastructure development. even now they can't say, "we were wrong about health insurance. medicare works and should be expanded. it just works better and costs less." and that list goes on.

democrats have their own pork. democrats have their own corruption.

but it isn't &lt;em&gt;their whole plan&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democrats have contributed to this. democrats fell hook, line, sinker for the deregulation of finance and the securitization of services and infrastructure development. even now they can&#8217;t say, &#8220;we were wrong about health insurance. medicare works and should be expanded. it just works better and costs less.&#8221; and that list goes on.</p>
<p>democrats have their own pork. democrats have their own corruption.</p>
<p>but it isn&#8217;t <em>their whole plan</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Hubbers</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14399</link>
		<author>Glenn Hubbers</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14399</guid>
					<description>I'm wondering what would be the response among this same group if the question was either:

"Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is a sphere and is not flat?"

Or

"Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is greater than 6000 years old?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering what would be the response among this same group if the question was either:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think it&#8217;s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is a sphere and is not flat?&#8221;</p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think it&#8217;s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is greater than 6000 years old?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14400</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14400</guid>
					<description>"what series of catastrophic events must occur to get them on board..."

How about warming temps?

UAH: Global Temperature Dives in May
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/uah-global-temperature-dives-in-may/

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Yeah, the UAH.  We can believe there numbers -- not!  See "&lt;a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/should-you-believe-anything-john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Should you believe anything John Christy and Roy Spencer say?&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what series of catastrophic events must occur to get them on board&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How about warming temps?</p>
<p>UAH: Global Temperature Dives in May<br />
<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/uah-global-temperature-dives-in-may/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>06/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>03/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>uah-global-temperature-dives-in-may/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Yeah, the UAH.  We can believe there numbers &#8212; not!  See &#8220;<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/should-you-believe-anything-john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/" rel="nofollow">Should you believe anything John Christy and Roy Spencer say?</a>&#8220;</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14402</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14402</guid>
					<description>"Here's the real question: Are we willing to play Russian roulette with each other's livelihoods, while politicians pull the trigger and arbitrarily decide the winners and losers, in hopes of "fixing" the climate, long after we're all dead, based on a theory that may or may not work, assuming things are as bad as climate hysterics predict?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s the real question: Are we willing to play Russian roulette with each other&#8217;s livelihoods, while politicians pull the trigger and arbitrarily decide the winners and losers, in hopes of &#8220;fixing&#8221; the climate, long after we&#8217;re all dead, based on a theory that may or may not work, assuming things are as bad as climate hysterics predict?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: exusian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14403</link>
		<author>exusian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14403</guid>
					<description>Oh, the "theory" works just fine in the here and now, Tom.

It's what keeps you nice and warm in Texas instead of shivering in temperatures 33°C colder than they would be without the greenhouse effect.

But hey, never let the facts get in the way of expressing a perfectly ignorant opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the &#8220;theory&#8221; works just fine in the here and now, Tom.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what keeps you nice and warm in Texas instead of shivering in temperatures 33°C colder than they would be without the greenhouse effect.</p>
<p>But hey, never let the facts get in the way of expressing a perfectly ignorant opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14404</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14404</guid>
					<description>JR:  How about RSS?  Global Temperature Also Cooler in May

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/rss-global-temperature-also-cooler-in-may/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR:  How about RSS?  Global Temperature Also Cooler in May</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/rss-global-temperature-also-cooler-in-may/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>06/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>06/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>rss-global-temperature-also-cooler-in-may/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14405</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14405</guid>
					<description>Yeah, I know - all the watermellons are waiting for Hansen/GISS numbers
for May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know - all the watermellons are waiting for Hansen/GISS numbers<br />
for May.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14408</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14408</guid>
					<description>ah! red-baiting! from texas! home of some of the world's largest privately-financed wind farms, operated by some of the biggest names in hard-core energy capitalism. gotta love it.

"renewable energy: it doesn't work. that's why it's growing so fast!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah! red-baiting! from texas! home of some of the world&#8217;s largest privately-financed wind farms, operated by some of the biggest names in hard-core energy capitalism. gotta love it.</p>
<p>&#8220;renewable energy: it doesn&#8217;t work. that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s growing so fast!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14415</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14415</guid>
					<description>Hapa:  

I pay (voluntarily) an additional fee on my utility bill to get some of that wind farm electricity - windtricity.com

If it were competitive to the South Texas Nuclear Project (or coal fired plants), there would be no need for additional fees or subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hapa:  </p>
<p>I pay (voluntarily) an additional fee on my utility bill to get some of that wind farm electricity - windtricity.com</p>
<p>If it were competitive to the South Texas Nuclear Project (or coal fired plants), there would be no need for additional fees or subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14419</link>
		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14419</guid>
					<description>Tom in Texas --- Just how much of the South Texas Nuclear Project is being forked over by taxpayers, hmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom in Texas &#8212; Just how much of the South Texas Nuclear Project is being forked over by taxpayers, hmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14424</link>
		<author>Paul K</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14424</guid>
					<description>Texas is a leader in wind power. For some reason their wind power is not linked to the national grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas is a leader in wind power. For some reason their wind power is not linked to the national grid.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14426</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14426</guid>
					<description>@tom in texas: what david benson said. wind works. solar's close. nuclear's so full of pork it's banned during passover. and all of this has s*** to do with joe stalin so keep your "watermelon" talk to your bar buddies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom in texas: what david benson said. wind works. solar&#8217;s close. nuclear&#8217;s so full of pork it&#8217;s banned during passover. and all of this has s*** to do with joe stalin so keep your &#8220;watermelon&#8221; talk to your bar buddies.</p>
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		<title>By: sadunkal</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14439</link>
		<author>sadunkal</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14439</guid>
					<description>I think it is  dangerous to compare scientific views of two political parties. I mean what's this about, what's the goal? Are you trying to prove man-made warming by implying that the idiotic republicans are wrong? 

Some time ago, the republican party used to be the one people love and trust more in. The thing is, the amount of difference only shows how unscientific this whole global warming debate is, from both sides...

The science is already politized enough without the people taking part in it. Just let it be and concentrate on the science please. Also get Al Gore out of all this if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is  dangerous to compare scientific views of two political parties. I mean what&#8217;s this about, what&#8217;s the goal? Are you trying to prove man-made warming by implying that the idiotic republicans are wrong? </p>
<p>Some time ago, the republican party used to be the one people love and trust more in. The thing is, the amount of difference only shows how unscientific this whole global warming debate is, from both sides&#8230;</p>
<p>The science is already politized enough without the people taking part in it. Just let it be and concentrate on the science please. Also get Al Gore out of all this if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14442</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14442</guid>
					<description>Hapa:  It is okay to call a skeptic a denier ("Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!") as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a  Believer a watermellon?  Thin skin?

And "solar's close"?  It was "close" back in the early 80's when I was a partner in Applied Solar Engineering Inc.  We designed and built quite a few systems in Texas, including several in oil fields.  
Check out www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html for one of my patents.  When Reagan ended the solar subsidies our firm went belly up.

If solar cannot compete without subsidies, with oil at $135/barrel, it will never be "close".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hapa:  It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (&#8221;Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!&#8221;) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a  Believer a watermellon?  Thin skin?</p>
<p>And &#8220;solar&#8217;s close&#8221;?  It was &#8220;close&#8221; back in the early 80&#8217;s when I was a partner in Applied Solar Engineering Inc.  We designed and built quite a few systems in Texas, including several in oil fields.<br />
Check out <a href="http://www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html" rel="nofollow">www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html</a> for one of my patents.  When Reagan ended the solar subsidies our firm went belly up.</p>
<p>If solar cannot compete without subsidies, with oil at $135/barrel, it will never be &#8220;close&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14446</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14446</guid>
					<description>Tom -- Don't be silly.  Nuclear can't compete without subsidies.  Heck, apparently oil can't compete without subsidies.  And what about all those coal plants that don't have to meet the clean air act standards?

The price of oil doesn't affect the competitiveness of solar -- the two are not currently fungible.

The good news is that solar is competitive now, either with a carbon price or subsidies comparable in value to that given to all other energy sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8212; Don&#8217;t be silly.  Nuclear can&#8217;t compete without subsidies.  Heck, apparently oil can&#8217;t compete without subsidies.  And what about all those coal plants that don&#8217;t have to meet the clean air act standards?</p>
<p>The price of oil doesn&#8217;t affect the competitiveness of solar &#8212; the two are not currently fungible.</p>
<p>The good news is that solar is competitive now, either with a carbon price or subsidies comparable in value to that given to all other energy sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14458</link>
		<author>Tom in Texas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14458</guid>
					<description>Joe:  Silly?  I thought I was being realistic (the way things are today, not the way we wish them to be).

If solar were competitive today, that would be good news - I'd hang out my shingle again, if I can find it (Its been 20+ years).  Do I tell my clients to see Al Gore to collect the carbon credits?  How exactly do those credits put bread on my table?  

In all honesty, my only bitch about nuclear power, and has been for most of my adult life, is the waste.  If the waste could be cheaply transported to a lunar dump site, then I could support replacing all our oil and coal fired electric generating plants with nuclear.  It would be as a very expensive insurance policy, just in case there were actually anything to the CO2 hysterics.

Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to capture all the C02 that escapes when I drink my Miller Lite.  After that, I'll work on the lunar dump problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:  Silly?  I thought I was being realistic (the way things are today, not the way we wish them to be).</p>
<p>If solar were competitive today, that would be good news - I&#8217;d hang out my shingle again, if I can find it (Its been 20+ years).  Do I tell my clients to see Al Gore to collect the carbon credits?  How exactly do those credits put bread on my table?  </p>
<p>In all honesty, my only bitch about nuclear power, and has been for most of my adult life, is the waste.  If the waste could be cheaply transported to a lunar dump site, then I could support replacing all our oil and coal fired electric generating plants with nuclear.  It would be as a very expensive insurance policy, just in case there were actually anything to the CO2 hysterics.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m trying to figure out a way to capture all the C02 that escapes when I drink my Miller Lite.  After that, I&#8217;ll work on the lunar dump problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommaso</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14481</link>
		<author>Tommaso</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14481</guid>
					<description>Lunar dump site? Even if that was remotely economically permissible (which I know you recognize its not), would that be a good idea? 

The moon controls our tides and many of the natural cycles on our planet. Turning it into a radioactive second sun might not be the best idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunar dump site? Even if that was remotely economically permissible (which I know you recognize its not), would that be a good idea? </p>
<p>The moon controls our tides and many of the natural cycles on our planet. Turning it into a radioactive second sun might not be the best idea.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14486</link>
		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14486</guid>
					<description>Tommaso --- It's clear that Tom in Texas doesn't have enough to do.  Besides he first has to solve the Miller Lite CO2 problem.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommaso &#8212; It&#8217;s clear that Tom in Texas doesn&#8217;t have enough to do.  Besides he first has to solve the Miller Lite CO2 problem.  <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14488</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14488</guid>
					<description>@tom:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (”Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!”) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a Believer a watermellon?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i don't take offense. i point out that when you randomly accuse people of being mass murderers because they've called you a giant partisan idiot, it makes you look like a giant partisan idiot.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thin skin?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

of course. poke your own. very thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (”Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!”) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a Believer a watermellon?</p></blockquote>
<p>i don&#8217;t take offense. i point out that when you randomly accuse people of being mass murderers because they&#8217;ve called you a giant partisan idiot, it makes you look like a giant partisan idiot.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thin skin?</p></blockquote>
<p>of course. poke your own. very thin.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14490</link>
		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14490</guid>
					<description>@t-in-t, 2: oh ho, you turn heat into work. dust off your shingle: solar thermal and heat pumps are about to take a major chunk of fossil fuels' space- and water-heating market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@t-in-t, 2: oh ho, you turn heat into work. dust off your shingle: solar thermal and heat pumps are about to take a major chunk of fossil fuels&#8217; space- and water-heating market.</p>
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