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	<title>Comments on: Denier, denier, planet&#8217;s on fire!</title>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@t-in-t, 2: oh ho, you turn heat into work. dust off your shingle: solar thermal and heat pumps are about to take a major chunk of fossil fuels&#039; space- and water-heating market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@t-in-t, 2: oh ho, you turn heat into work. dust off your shingle: solar thermal and heat pumps are about to take a major chunk of fossil fuels&#8217; space- and water-heating market.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tom:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (”Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!”) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a Believer a watermellon?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i don&#039;t take offense. i point out that when you randomly accuse people of being mass murderers because they&#039;ve called you a giant partisan idiot, it makes you look like a giant partisan idiot.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thin skin?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

of course. poke your own. very thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (”Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!”) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a Believer a watermellon?</p></blockquote>
<p>i don&#8217;t take offense. i point out that when you randomly accuse people of being mass murderers because they&#8217;ve called you a giant partisan idiot, it makes you look like a giant partisan idiot.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thin skin?</p></blockquote>
<p>of course. poke your own. very thin.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14486</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommaso --- It&#039;s clear that Tom in Texas doesn&#039;t have enough to do.  Besides he first has to solve the Miller Lite CO2 problem.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommaso &#8212; It&#8217;s clear that Tom in Texas doesn&#8217;t have enough to do.  Besides he first has to solve the Miller Lite CO2 problem.  <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tommaso</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14481</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunar dump site? Even if that was remotely economically permissible (which I know you recognize its not), would that be a good idea? 

The moon controls our tides and many of the natural cycles on our planet. Turning it into a radioactive second sun might not be the best idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunar dump site? Even if that was remotely economically permissible (which I know you recognize its not), would that be a good idea? </p>
<p>The moon controls our tides and many of the natural cycles on our planet. Turning it into a radioactive second sun might not be the best idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14458</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:  Silly?  I thought I was being realistic (the way things are today, not the way we wish them to be).

If solar were competitive today, that would be good news - I&#039;d hang out my shingle again, if I can find it (Its been 20+ years).  Do I tell my clients to see Al Gore to collect the carbon credits?  How exactly do those credits put bread on my table?  

In all honesty, my only bitch about nuclear power, and has been for most of my adult life, is the waste.  If the waste could be cheaply transported to a lunar dump site, then I could support replacing all our oil and coal fired electric generating plants with nuclear.  It would be as a very expensive insurance policy, just in case there were actually anything to the CO2 hysterics.

Right now I&#039;m trying to figure out a way to capture all the C02 that escapes when I drink my Miller Lite.  After that, I&#039;ll work on the lunar dump problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:  Silly?  I thought I was being realistic (the way things are today, not the way we wish them to be).</p>
<p>If solar were competitive today, that would be good news &#8211; I&#8217;d hang out my shingle again, if I can find it (Its been 20+ years).  Do I tell my clients to see Al Gore to collect the carbon credits?  How exactly do those credits put bread on my table?  </p>
<p>In all honesty, my only bitch about nuclear power, and has been for most of my adult life, is the waste.  If the waste could be cheaply transported to a lunar dump site, then I could support replacing all our oil and coal fired electric generating plants with nuclear.  It would be as a very expensive insurance policy, just in case there were actually anything to the CO2 hysterics.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m trying to figure out a way to capture all the C02 that escapes when I drink my Miller Lite.  After that, I&#8217;ll work on the lunar dump problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14446</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom -- Don&#039;t be silly.  Nuclear can&#039;t compete without subsidies.  Heck, apparently oil can&#039;t compete without subsidies.  And what about all those coal plants that don&#039;t have to meet the clean air act standards?

The price of oil doesn&#039;t affect the competitiveness of solar -- the two are not currently fungible.

The good news is that solar is competitive now, either with a carbon price or subsidies comparable in value to that given to all other energy sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8212; Don&#8217;t be silly.  Nuclear can&#8217;t compete without subsidies.  Heck, apparently oil can&#8217;t compete without subsidies.  And what about all those coal plants that don&#8217;t have to meet the clean air act standards?</p>
<p>The price of oil doesn&#8217;t affect the competitiveness of solar &#8212; the two are not currently fungible.</p>
<p>The good news is that solar is competitive now, either with a carbon price or subsidies comparable in value to that given to all other energy sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14442</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hapa:  It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (&quot;Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!&quot;) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a  Believer a watermellon?  Thin skin?

And &quot;solar&#039;s close&quot;?  It was &quot;close&quot; back in the early 80&#039;s when I was a partner in Applied Solar Engineering Inc.  We designed and built quite a few systems in Texas, including several in oil fields.  
Check out www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html for one of my patents.  When Reagan ended the solar subsidies our firm went belly up.

If solar cannot compete without subsidies, with oil at $135/barrel, it will never be &quot;close&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hapa:  It is okay to call a skeptic a denier (&#8221;Denier, denier, planet’s on fire!&#8221;) as in Holocost Denier, but you seem to take offense at calling a  Believer a watermellon?  Thin skin?</p>
<p>And &#8220;solar&#8217;s close&#8221;?  It was &#8220;close&#8221; back in the early 80&#8217;s when I was a partner in Applied Solar Engineering Inc.  We designed and built quite a few systems in Texas, including several in oil fields.<br />
Check out <a href="http://www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikipatents.com/4479486.html</a> for one of my patents.  When Reagan ended the solar subsidies our firm went belly up.</p>
<p>If solar cannot compete without subsidies, with oil at $135/barrel, it will never be &#8220;close&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: sadunkal</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14439</link>
		<dc:creator>sadunkal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is  dangerous to compare scientific views of two political parties. I mean what&#039;s this about, what&#039;s the goal? Are you trying to prove man-made warming by implying that the idiotic republicans are wrong? 

Some time ago, the republican party used to be the one people love and trust more in. The thing is, the amount of difference only shows how unscientific this whole global warming debate is, from both sides...

The science is already politized enough without the people taking part in it. Just let it be and concentrate on the science please. Also get Al Gore out of all this if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is  dangerous to compare scientific views of two political parties. I mean what&#8217;s this about, what&#8217;s the goal? Are you trying to prove man-made warming by implying that the idiotic republicans are wrong? </p>
<p>Some time ago, the republican party used to be the one people love and trust more in. The thing is, the amount of difference only shows how unscientific this whole global warming debate is, from both sides&#8230;</p>
<p>The science is already politized enough without the people taking part in it. Just let it be and concentrate on the science please. Also get Al Gore out of all this if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14426</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tom in texas: what david benson said. wind works. solar&#039;s close. nuclear&#039;s so full of pork it&#039;s banned during passover. and all of this has s*** to do with joe stalin so keep your &quot;watermelon&quot; talk to your bar buddies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom in texas: what david benson said. wind works. solar&#8217;s close. nuclear&#8217;s so full of pork it&#8217;s banned during passover. and all of this has s*** to do with joe stalin so keep your &#8220;watermelon&#8221; talk to your bar buddies.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/13/denier-denier-planets-on-fire/#comment-14424</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas is a leader in wind power. For some reason their wind power is not linked to the national grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas is a leader in wind power. For some reason their wind power is not linked to the national grid.</p>
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