Comments on: EIA bombshell: Offshore drilling “would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030″

By: Fred

Fred — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:38:17 +0000

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By: John Hollenberg

John Hollenberg — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:40:08 +0000

Article is a bit hard to read with links scattered throughout which aren’t linked to relevant text. Otherwise, excellent.

By: Bill Dunne

Bill Dunne — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:08:19 +0000

It sure would be nice if the authors of these pieces would identify themselves. Joe Romm (and colleagues on this blog), I’m talking to you. Why not put your name(s) at the top, so readers like myself (strange fellows who like to know who’s talking) don’t have to spend several minutes hunting for that information? Basic, don’t you think?

By: Jon

Jon — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:14:24 +0000

@Bill Dunne

“don’t have to spend several minutes hunting for that information”

Several minutes?! A little slow, are we Bill?

By: Dennis

Dennis — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:37:57 +0000

The more McCain opens up his mouth about energy, the more he sounds like Bush.

By: Roger Chittum

Roger Chittum — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:12:59 +0000

I just saw a clip of McCain on CNN. He said, in essence, that America has 21 billion [I’m not certain that was exactly the number he used] barrels of “proven reserves,” and that we need to change the offshore drilling policy in order to get at them.

Reserves can’t be labeled “proven” until there has been considerable drilling to delineate the resource and to establish that they can be economically produced. Clearly, when the proposal is to open up offshore exploration, that can’t involve “proven reserves.” I’m certain the people who wrote this for McCain know that and that they hope to mislead as many people as possible.

By: David B. Benson

David B. Benson — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:36:07 +0000

Off-topic, strictly speaking, but relevant to ClimateProgress as a whole:

“Are we all North Koreans now?”

http://www.atimes.com/ atimes/ Global_Economy/ JF19Dj03.html

Yes. Three strikes and you’re a North Korean.

Note the result.

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:38:54 +0000

Bill — 95+% of the pieces are mine, so it seems kind of silly to put my name at the top when it’s almost always me and my name is at the bottom.

By: Ecostew

Ecostew — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:35:27 +0000

The media should be reporting more critically and Obama needs to push back with his own policies as well as pointing out McMain’s misconceptions/distortions, which will become reality to some voters, especially with Bush pushing the same misconceptions/distortions.

By: hapa

hapa — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:34:21 +0000

350 reasons for john mccain to change direction

By: Eli Rabett

Eli Rabett — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:03:38 +0000

Even politically this makes no sense as it will cost Florida and several other coastal states. McCain has looked deeply into the well and seen that he is a sure loser, thus he throws bombs hoping to break something lose.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:16:39 +0000

If it is so minor, why are you against it? Florida will jump all over the lease money, @ 135$ / Barrel there is enough green to shut up all but the most foolish eco- fascists. Can you say balance of trade, let’s use native oil to power our economy. A simple switch with The SPR would pressure prices now. Even another five years will give America time to build the necessary Coal to Liquid infrastructure to fuel our engines.

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By: Lou Grinzo

Lou Grinzo — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:30:08 +0000

I think it’s very disappointing that the EIA analysis Joe linked to isn’t getting more press. I’ve seen/heard no one in the broadcast media refer to it; the most they do is toss a crumb in the direction of faux balance by acknowledging that it will take years for the oil to reach market.

Once again, it’s the rampant laziness in the media. They’re far too concerned with lifestyle pieces and other garbage instead of doing (gasp!) real research on hard news stories.

By: Dano

Dano — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:57:57 +0000

Lou:

I’ve seen/heard no one in the broadcast media refer to it; the most they do is toss a crumb in the direction of faux balance by acknowledging that it will take years for the oil to reach market.

Who owns these media outlets?

Right! Giant corporations with vast investment in the status quo. Can’t have everyone gittin’ all uppity and stop spending an’ all.

Best,

By: Paul K

Paul K — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:41:58 +0000

NBC is owned by General Electric a company that stands to profit greatly from alternatives, especially wind. GE spends millions of dollars lobbying for subsidies. NBC recently had an entire week devoted to AGW not only on the news but also on sit-coms and dramas.

By: tom

tom — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:36:30 +0000

Ken Williamson makes so good points about this on http://www.posterspost.com.

He makes a good case for drilling.

The point is, we have no choice but to drill if we continue driving our vehicles.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:26:07 +0000

It is either drill and CTL or CTL. I need to fuel my car to earn the money to save the world. I’d think the ZPGers would be all over defunding the the be fruitful and multiply bunch of current oil producing regions. With out a working growing economy the first to go is luxuries such as the latest green fads.
Very large corporations can use the added moronic regulations to raise barriers to new competitors–the more government, the lower the need to actually produce innovations to maintain market share. In a truly competitive market the well lead major producers would be even now migrating to the replacements for fossil oil, CTL, Shale, and tar sands.
Every barrel of oil produced in under the Aegis of the USA’s EPA will have the least amount of negative impact–only the ego-centric fools keep exporting extraction industries to nations with little or no concern for environmental damage reduction/elimination.
Again the ‘greens’ fail to see the destruction of 3 to 5 % of GDP by the completely unnecessary high prices of liquid Hydrocarbons as destructive to actually reducing civilization’s impact on the Earth.

By: Earl Killian

Earl Killian — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:00:50 +0000

Peter Foley, in the time you could have significant gasoline refined from offshore drilling, you could instead be getting 80% of your miles fueled with American electrons.

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:25:31 +0000

Earl Killian, ANWAR would be a year or two quicker then the water born drilling with the underwater pipe-lining required. Re-task the 51 cent a gallon blending credit subsidy away from ethanol to Coal to liquid infrastructure. Tax breaks and loan subsidies for CTL refineries.( A 10 cent a gallon Tax on ‘foreign’ liquid fuels?) We need a federal punishment tax to punish NIMBY states like California and Florida who selfishly lower the living standards of all Americans.
Tree huggers who fail to remember what derailed the eco-movement in the Seventies will repeat the historical pattern.
Earl, compare the energy density of diesel to the same weight of batteries, Without McCain’s super-battery, CTL is THE solution.

By: Joe

Joe — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:14:22 +0000

Peter — You are a jumble of misinformation. ANWR is 2 cents a gallon off the cost of gasoline in 20 years. Offshore oil is 0.0 cents a gallon off the cost of gasoline in 20 years.

CTL is climate death and should be banned.

The eco-movement in the Seventies gave us clean air and clean water. You’re welcome!

By: Peter Foley

Peter Foley — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:52:00 +0000

Joe, Even if ANWAR or US Continental shelf fossil oil production wouldn’t ‘lower’ prices,(Is Karl Marx’s ghost suspending the laws of supply and demand?) the improvement in the balance of trade and the increased cleanliness of production under the rule of Law alone requires immediate action to start fast tracking state and federal drilling permits.
Just the elimination $100 per metric ton of shipping costs alone would save 20 cents a gallon.(Yet again the cheaper oil is also the oil with a lower ‘carbon’ footprint, what a coincidence! Shipping costs mostly spent on bunker fuel and steel hulls) Again repeating a BIG LIE- ANWAR production would only lower fuel costs 0.5 % a gallon is just excretable economic propaganda. In twenty years it be either coal to Liquid or next/third generation battery powered vehicles.
I think you’re confusing the actual effecting of the laws passed in the Seventies that occurred mostly in the Eighties,
By the way, just what did YOU do in the seventies to clean up the USA as claimed in your last sentence? Under sniper fire perhaps?
I has trying to put over the idea that the end of growth caused by the first and second oil crisis of the Seventies combined with the second poorest President of the twentieth century, Jimmy Carter, forced the the early tree-hugger to return to the world of work. This could repeat if we don’t rationally increase sources of cheap liquid fuels soon.

Every time a self-proclaimed expert posits a falsehood, they negate Ninety-nine of their honest remarks, with more rigorous honesty you’d come closer to your misguided goal faster.

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By: John Hollenberg

John Hollenberg — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:53:12 +0000

I just loved the latest McCain quote from today’s LA Times:

“Even though it may take some years, the fact that we are exploiting those reserves would have psychological impact that I think is beneficial,” the senator said during a town-hall meeting in Fresno.

At least he is admitting now that the only reason to do this is for the “psychological impact”, i.e., pretending to be doing something about the problem. Unbelievable!

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energymv — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:32:20 +0000

Increased access to offshore oil would only boost total domestic production by about 3% by 2030 (or 1% of total U.S. demand). There is a discussion of offshore oil; active platforms; and technically recoverable, undiscovered, offshore oil and natural gas; and how increased access would affect prices at http://www.energyanalysis.org.

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By: charles

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Saying that that some oil from ANWR or offshore may be exported or it wont lower gas prices is a very stupid reason for not drilling there! Take an class in economics. If we export a million barrels from ANWR and import a million barrels from somewhere else, it costs us nothing. If we import a million barrels and export none it costs us 140 million dollars! Research and development of alternative energy sources is great and we should do that, but as long as we are useing more oil than we are producing we need to drill as much as possible. If we end up with more oil than we need we can sell it to China to pay for all our imported lead painted toys!
Democrats say drilling would not help because we wont get the oil for 10 years, a great argument they have been making for a decade - jay Leno

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By: Lyca001

Lyca001 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:25:20 +0000

Offshore Drilling is a huge issue right now and rightly so. Between the
desire to deal with the economic mess that is being spurred by the price
of oil and the on-going longer-term concern of global warming, how do we
address all of this? Check out Obama and McCain in side-by-side videos
on PollClash http://www.pollclash.com/ comparing their recent
comments on ANWR and offshore oil drilling. It is, if nothing else,
very interesting to hear their perspective.

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