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	<title>Comments on: Must read CIBC report:  $7 gas by 2010, 10 million cars off the road, 1970s style GDP growth</title>
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		<title>By: Buy acai berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buy acai berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is very interresting for me, i will come back here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is very interresting for me, i will come back here..</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also remember the last few years for both USA and UK were aflood with housing bubble money. to some extent the increase in expensive carriages is due to temporary states of royalty among the middle-upper people. cinderella&#039;s clock struck midnight about this time last year....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also remember the last few years for both USA and UK were aflood with housing bubble money. to some extent the increase in expensive carriages is due to temporary states of royalty among the middle-upper people. cinderella&#8217;s clock struck midnight about this time last year&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Dano - what&#039;s needed is a bit of thinking outside the box.

E.g. instead of car pool lanes, have fast lanes for low emission cars. 

Or &quot;health warnings&quot; on adverts for high polluters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Dano &#8211; what&#8217;s needed is a bit of thinking outside the box.</p>
<p>E.g. instead of car pool lanes, have fast lanes for low emission cars. </p>
<p>Or &#8220;health warnings&#8221; on adverts for high polluters.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Most drivers will have changed their cars in the past 8 years so had an opportunity to aim for fuel efficiency, but they didn’t take it. The economy did well in those years, people felt richer, they spent more on cars. &lt;/i&gt;

This is iconic, for me, of why I don&#039;t trust solutions that rely solely on market mechanisms - humans really don&#039;t think rationally all the time, esp when Madison Avenue is pounding the populace with marketing that says SUVs make you sexy. 

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most drivers will have changed their cars in the past 8 years so had an opportunity to aim for fuel efficiency, but they didn’t take it. The economy did well in those years, people felt richer, they spent more on cars. </i></p>
<p>This is iconic, for me, of why I don&#8217;t trust solutions that rely solely on market mechanisms &#8211; humans really don&#8217;t think rationally all the time, esp when Madison Avenue is pounding the populace with marketing that says SUVs make you sexy. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be negative, but people get used to high gas prices surprisingly quickly.

As you say, in the UK we&#039;ve had prices at nearly $8 a gallon for years. In 2000 there were big protests against what were then considered high prices, with refineries picketed and pumps running dry. Blair&#039;s government went for cowardice and cancelled a planned tax increase. 

So for over 8 years we&#039;ve had &quot;high&quot; prices (in fact it&#039;s probably better to describe current prices as normal and previous prices as abnormally low).

Yet in those 8 years sales of SUVs continued to grow. The average CO2 emissions of new cars has failed to decline as much as the car-makers modest (and voluntary!) targets Miles driven p.a. continued to increase. People - when in showrooms choosing a new car - forgot the pain of petrol prices because nearly $8 a gallon became routine.

Now, of course, with petrol at $8.70 everyone&#039;s complaining again. Most drivers will have changed their cars in the past 8 years so had an opportunity to aim for fuel efficiency, but they didn&#039;t take it. The economy did well in those years, people felt richer, they spent more on cars.

It&#039;s hard to determine whether it&#039;s general economic woes or high gas prices specifically that will have the most impact. In a year or two the world economy will improve, and perhaps oil prices will be more stable at a new higher trading range. If so, my guess is you&#039;ll see:

 - the &quot;miles driven p.a.&quot; graph returning to its usual upwards slope
 - improvement in SUV sales
 - return to the usual increases in numbers of cars on the road
 - no-one caring about public transit 

High fuel prices aren&#039;t enough. What&#039;s needed is year-after-year of penal gas price rises, for perhaps a decade or more. My fear (and expectation) is that the current encouraging signs will evaporate the moment economic woes are behind us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be negative, but people get used to high gas prices surprisingly quickly.</p>
<p>As you say, in the UK we&#8217;ve had prices at nearly $8 a gallon for years. In 2000 there were big protests against what were then considered high prices, with refineries picketed and pumps running dry. Blair&#8217;s government went for cowardice and cancelled a planned tax increase. </p>
<p>So for over 8 years we&#8217;ve had &#8220;high&#8221; prices (in fact it&#8217;s probably better to describe current prices as normal and previous prices as abnormally low).</p>
<p>Yet in those 8 years sales of SUVs continued to grow. The average CO2 emissions of new cars has failed to decline as much as the car-makers modest (and voluntary!) targets Miles driven p.a. continued to increase. People &#8211; when in showrooms choosing a new car &#8211; forgot the pain of petrol prices because nearly $8 a gallon became routine.</p>
<p>Now, of course, with petrol at $8.70 everyone&#8217;s complaining again. Most drivers will have changed their cars in the past 8 years so had an opportunity to aim for fuel efficiency, but they didn&#8217;t take it. The economy did well in those years, people felt richer, they spent more on cars.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to determine whether it&#8217;s general economic woes or high gas prices specifically that will have the most impact. In a year or two the world economy will improve, and perhaps oil prices will be more stable at a new higher trading range. If so, my guess is you&#8217;ll see:</p>
<p> &#8211; the &#8220;miles driven p.a.&#8221; graph returning to its usual upwards slope<br />
 &#8211; improvement in SUV sales<br />
 &#8211; return to the usual increases in numbers of cars on the road<br />
 &#8211; no-one caring about public transit </p>
<p>High fuel prices aren&#8217;t enough. What&#8217;s needed is year-after-year of penal gas price rises, for perhaps a decade or more. My fear (and expectation) is that the current encouraging signs will evaporate the moment economic woes are behind us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauri Pelto</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/26/must-read-cibc-report-7-gas-by-2010-10-million-cars-off-the-road-1970s-style-gdp-growth/#comment-15058</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauri Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought provoking reading.  The only assumption that seems totally on faith is the increase in scrappage.  All others seem quite plausible.  This will be a good test of our ingenuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought provoking reading.  The only assumption that seems totally on faith is the increase in scrappage.  All others seem quite plausible.  This will be a good test of our ingenuity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;we only need to build what we already have to get started. that could carry us all the way past coal by itself and make a big dent in oil dependency besides. &lt;/i&gt;

Right. 

I thought the three I called out were on the right track, just pointing out the curve ahead. We don&#039;t do everything at once, we need baby steps, then bigger steps. I think we&#039;re getting toward galvanization, but vested interests are muddying the waters and we have a ton of sunk costs in autocentric infrastructure, so someone needs to effect change.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we only need to build what we already have to get started. that could carry us all the way past coal by itself and make a big dent in oil dependency besides. </i></p>
<p>Right. </p>
<p>I thought the three I called out were on the right track, just pointing out the curve ahead. We don&#8217;t do everything at once, we need baby steps, then bigger steps. I think we&#8217;re getting toward galvanization, but vested interests are muddying the waters and we have a ton of sunk costs in autocentric infrastructure, so someone needs to effect change.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ač</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Ač</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much more on this topic: www.TheOilDrum.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much more on this topic: <a href="http://www.TheOilDrum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.TheOilDrum.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dano: we only need to build what we already have to get started. that could carry us all the way past coal by itself and make a big dent in oil dependency besides.

the miracle needed now is to get the money set to see that coal and oil are a true menace to the future. the general population has nothing to lose in changing and is basically waiting to find out what we&#039;re going to do about all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dano: we only need to build what we already have to get started. that could carry us all the way past coal by itself and make a big dent in oil dependency besides.</p>
<p>the miracle needed now is to get the money set to see that coal and oil are a true menace to the future. the general population has nothing to lose in changing and is basically waiting to find out what we&#8217;re going to do about all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou and Earl and Dennis:

Societies and groups don&#039;t move unless galvanized, motivated, and organized. 

PO may be one way to do that, but price signals do the galvanizing quite well, and the vested interests are doing quite well at maintaining the status quo.

My suspicion is that there is insufficient political will in this country to fund R&amp;D for alternative energy sources/carriers so $9/gal gas &amp; $3.5K heating bills will do the galvanizing and motivating (building insulation is a big chunk of a wedge). Insufficient political will, that is, until the people lead and the leaders follow.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou and Earl and Dennis:</p>
<p>Societies and groups don&#8217;t move unless galvanized, motivated, and organized. </p>
<p>PO may be one way to do that, but price signals do the galvanizing quite well, and the vested interests are doing quite well at maintaining the status quo.</p>
<p>My suspicion is that there is insufficient political will in this country to fund R&amp;D for alternative energy sources/carriers so $9/gal gas &amp; $3.5K heating bills will do the galvanizing and motivating (building insulation is a big chunk of a wedge). Insufficient political will, that is, until the people lead and the leaders follow.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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