John Hollenberg, Sorry about the name, I haven’t yet been writing it for 30 years to form a meaningful statistical trend. My take is the revisionist stats will allow the semi-rational to maintain their belief long after the fact train has left the climate science station.–Yes I actually read that thread–Keep your friends close and your “enemies” closer.

Excusian, 500,000 a year = million every two year of malaria deaths by lack of cheap DDT to spray for vector mosquitoes. CFCs death rate is much slower, mostly lost economic expansion and more expensive and in efficient refrigeration, thus food poisoning and starvation from spoiled foods storage/transit. Any act that shrinks world disposable income worldwide causes formerly preventable deaths. The threat of treason charges earned the Eco-tyrant label. Join us or life in prison, what a choice. As regards to the religious dogma/ Co2-AGW church, it is a social model of the cohort of Greens which I think has many similarities. Presently the internal strife between the deluded members who profess ongoing warming opposing the slightly more rational members who postulate we’re in a short term cooling trend caused by X, but the messiah of heat will return are entertaining. It is like Jim Jones reality T.V. without so far all the bloated corpses, (except where the mania has already killed through wealth destruction).
The cost/ Benefit analysis are rarely remotely accurate, overstating the upside and usually ignoring the future ongoing costs.
Micheal Hoexter, I’m not anti-government, just anti- unnecessary government–which completely describes any anti-carbon acts.
A competant nanny-state, now that is scary. Or world government based on an Eco-myth, when would it dissolve? Paranoid, some pseudo-intellectuals with weak morals want to impose a world government, destroy my means of achieving financial freedom, freedom of movement, freedom of thought, and the ability to pursue happiness all for a phony Eco-threat. Post carbon mania, how will any actually needed global environmental effort be undertaken after the betrayal of trust the current disinformation campaign will yield?

Badger-South, The seas where rising before the mania started, they’ll continue to rise a short foot over the next hundred years, No, I won’t buy Ted Kennedy’s compound, it’s doomed, some things happen even without evil carbon causing them.
Paul K. I base my opinions on the latest from all four common Global temp sources.
My position the patient isn’t even outside of normal operating ranges, treatment of a healthy planet without a ‘fever” is felonious malpractice.
And if sick the cure is amputation for a hangnail, again still evil malpractice. Step away from the patient, put the saw down, and raise your hands and surrender to the authorities without any further bad acts.

Regards the quote, Mea culpa, I thought I read that ~25 year ago, in a biography about Dante’s hero, evidently it is a slightly modified proverb, but I did run across an actual quote of doctor Angelica’s about embarrassing one’s faith with irrational beliefs in false science theories.

The Laffer curve works even in the old country. Just the hint of CO2 caps and trading schemes have cost the USA billions in lost expansion and investment in CTL plants is doomed until the regulatory horizon is cleared of socially destructive climate myths. Just the destroyed wealth buried in windmills and solar exceeds your posted % in GB. I’d assign about half the increase in fossil oil prices to artificial barriers emplaced to substitute goods by the anti Co2 clan. The other half to big money traders leaving Real Estate and the equity market for the commodities.

John Hollenberg, Drugs shouldn’t be your first line of defense, Try using your paranoia in a proactive way–check out all alleged facts for congruence to reality. Isn’t your paranoia just the precautionary principle writ large? Don’t allow your natural evolutionary tendency to paranoia to used against yourself by pharmaceutical corporations and greedy MDs. Stay strong and fight the chemical restraints. Unless of course your truly nuts.

Badger-South, I was hoping for at least an index finger. Doesn’t even the biting of your tongue place you on probationary status with the Vegan members of the Warmist clan? A bleeding tongue liberal perhaps?

> “Better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, then to speak, and remove all doubt.- St. Thomas Aquinas”

Err… that wasn’t Thomas Aquinas. Rather an amusing mistake to make – you’d better remain silent next time!

But as you seem to think Planet Earth is a black body I suppose anything’s possible…

> “How’s G.B. growth rate? How does Green London compare to equal sized cities without silly anti-carbon regs.”

The growth rate has been superb for the 15 years to 2007, thanks. London in particular became more and more prosperous, arguably the most successful city in Europe over this time.

Trouble is, that performance was largely based on financial services, international banking and the like. So things aren’t looking too good right now.

And that proves the point. The booms and busts of free markets have dramatic impacts on standards of living. CO2 measures, on the other hand, have trivial impacts in comparison.

Take the price of electricity in the UK. The European Union’s climate levies have added about 0.6% to the price of electricity over the past five years. But the wild swings of the commodity markets have added 85% to the price in the past year.