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		<title>By: auto isnurance quotes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-173363</link>
		<dc:creator>auto isnurance quotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night I went to a local sponsored event by a hotel that has recently been LEED certified for its contribution for going green and I was the only one who showed up on my bike in pearls. All the rest were having their Mercedes valet parked while the engines ran and ran. There was one other person besides myself who had any information in their hands. The rest were there to drink free, eat free and network for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I went to a local sponsored event by a hotel that has recently been LEED certified for its contribution for going green and I was the only one who showed up on my bike in pearls. All the rest were having their Mercedes valet parked while the engines ran and ran. There was one other person besides myself who had any information in their hands. The rest were there to drink free, eat free and network for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Fun Kids Games</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-105783</link>
		<dc:creator>Fun Kids Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gore is able to give such eye opening speeches. The evidence is outstanding. I live in Southern California and was simply getting use to ash falling from the skies. These wildfires are just a warning of what is yet to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gore is able to give such eye opening speeches. The evidence is outstanding. I live in Southern California and was simply getting use to ash falling from the skies. These wildfires are just a warning of what is yet to come.</p>
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		<title>By: club penguin</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-53032</link>
		<dc:creator>club penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emergent and convergent global challenges, ominously looming before the family of humanity on the far horizon, threaten the future of human civilizations, life as know it and the efficacy of Earth as a fit place for human habitation:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emergent and convergent global challenges, ominously looming before the family of humanity on the far horizon, threaten the future of human civilizations, life as know it and the efficacy of Earth as a fit place for human habitation:</p>
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		<title>By: tower defense</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-30000</link>
		<dc:creator>tower defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m the biggest Gore fan around but his speech purposefully conflated the issues of oil use and his stated goal (replacing current carbon sourced electricity) that had almost nothing to do with oil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m the biggest Gore fan around but his speech purposefully conflated the issues of oil use and his stated goal (replacing current carbon sourced electricity) that had almost nothing to do with oil!</p>
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		<title>By: battery</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-23572</link>
		<dc:creator>battery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night I went to a local sponsored event by a hotel that has recently been LEED certified for its contribution for going green and I was the only one who showed up on my bike in pearls. All the rest were having their Mercedes valet parked while the engines ran and ran. There was one other person besides myself who had any information in their hands. The rest were there to drink free, eat free and network for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I went to a local sponsored event by a hotel that has recently been LEED certified for its contribution for going green and I was the only one who showed up on my bike in pearls. All the rest were having their Mercedes valet parked while the engines ran and ran. There was one other person besides myself who had any information in their hands. The rest were there to drink free, eat free and network for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-16701</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrice Ayme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TALK IS CHEAP, ENERGY SHOULD BE EXPENSIVE.

Frank Rich views Obama as &quot;Acting President&quot; (NYT, July 27): &quot;... America, our allies and most likely the next Congress are moving toward Mr. Obama’s post-Iraq vision of the future, whether he reaches the White House or not.&quot;

As far as moving towards a different future we can finally believe in, there is only one way: to modify the profligate behavior of US citizens. How would that be achieved? By reducing the USA&#039;s psychological and organizational dependency on wasting energy and frantic consumption. How to do this in turn? Some seem inclined to make incantations (we should do this, we ought to do that, within 10 years ... yes, how exactly?) 

Whereas the USA swam in oil since the nineteenth century, it is not so in most of the rest of the world. The USA was long the world number one producer of oil. An example: Texaco, an oil company from Texas, provided Hitler with oil to allow the Luftwaffe to fly Franco&#039;s fascist army to Spain.

In Europe the energy situation was long difficult: Germany, France, Spain, Italy and their satellites (nearly 300 million people) have no oil. So they had to reduce their consumption as much as possible (Hitler&#039;s made oil out of coal in W.W.II, but ultimately the Nazi army ran out of fuel). The way they did that was by very high taxes. The policy was so intelligent that it was followed by countries (such as Norway or Great Britain) that had a lot of oil.

There are 27 countries in the European Union, with half a billion citizens. It&#039;s not exactly a backwaters. 

Another strategy was to put taxes on non necessary consumption, according to the Added Value scheme (it allows to achieve higher rates than a sale tax, without cheating, and decreasing waste).

France reacted to the recent oil crisis by planing to rise further its high taxes on energy. Cars emitting more than 250 grams of CO2 per kilometer will be heavily taxed even more than they already are (the US average is 330 gms/km).

Of course, France is fanatical about the ecology and energy waste. Per inhabitant France emits less than one third of the CO2 than the USA does. france has been reacting to the oil crisis in all ways. EDF, the huge electric utility, is    
building, in England and France, sea current power plants. Another way is drill, drill, drill. France has a little bit of oil, in the south west and the Paris area (1% of needs).  Interestingly absolutely no one has been protesting. 

The US left has been spastically opposed to drilling (although some of the drilling, like in the Destiny dome, is for natural gaz, CH4, which is mostly hydrogen, that is, clean). Thus one is led to an interesting alternative: either the US democrats are more ecological and anti business and anti oil than the French left, or they are FAKING IT. You decide. 

Al Gore said on July 17, 2008: &quot;Today I challenge our nation to commit to producing 100 percent of our electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources within10 years.” 

Challenges are amusing, but where is the money? Besides, France has been producing 95% of her &quot;electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources&quot; for more than ten years, but no one in France is suggesting that the situation is good.  

Patrice Ayme
http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TALK IS CHEAP, ENERGY SHOULD BE EXPENSIVE.</p>
<p>Frank Rich views Obama as &#8220;Acting President&#8221; (NYT, July 27): &#8220;&#8230; America, our allies and most likely the next Congress are moving toward Mr. Obama’s post-Iraq vision of the future, whether he reaches the White House or not.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as moving towards a different future we can finally believe in, there is only one way: to modify the profligate behavior of US citizens. How would that be achieved? By reducing the USA&#8217;s psychological and organizational dependency on wasting energy and frantic consumption. How to do this in turn? Some seem inclined to make incantations (we should do this, we ought to do that, within 10 years &#8230; yes, how exactly?) </p>
<p>Whereas the USA swam in oil since the nineteenth century, it is not so in most of the rest of the world. The USA was long the world number one producer of oil. An example: Texaco, an oil company from Texas, provided Hitler with oil to allow the Luftwaffe to fly Franco&#8217;s fascist army to Spain.</p>
<p>In Europe the energy situation was long difficult: Germany, France, Spain, Italy and their satellites (nearly 300 million people) have no oil. So they had to reduce their consumption as much as possible (Hitler&#8217;s made oil out of coal in W.W.II, but ultimately the Nazi army ran out of fuel). The way they did that was by very high taxes. The policy was so intelligent that it was followed by countries (such as Norway or Great Britain) that had a lot of oil.</p>
<p>There are 27 countries in the European Union, with half a billion citizens. It&#8217;s not exactly a backwaters. </p>
<p>Another strategy was to put taxes on non necessary consumption, according to the Added Value scheme (it allows to achieve higher rates than a sale tax, without cheating, and decreasing waste).</p>
<p>France reacted to the recent oil crisis by planing to rise further its high taxes on energy. Cars emitting more than 250 grams of CO2 per kilometer will be heavily taxed even more than they already are (the US average is 330 gms/km).</p>
<p>Of course, France is fanatical about the ecology and energy waste. Per inhabitant France emits less than one third of the CO2 than the USA does. france has been reacting to the oil crisis in all ways. EDF, the huge electric utility, is<br />
building, in England and France, sea current power plants. Another way is drill, drill, drill. France has a little bit of oil, in the south west and the Paris area (1% of needs).  Interestingly absolutely no one has been protesting. </p>
<p>The US left has been spastically opposed to drilling (although some of the drilling, like in the Destiny dome, is for natural gaz, CH4, which is mostly hydrogen, that is, clean). Thus one is led to an interesting alternative: either the US democrats are more ecological and anti business and anti oil than the French left, or they are FAKING IT. You decide. </p>
<p>Al Gore said on July 17, 2008: &#8220;Today I challenge our nation to commit to producing 100 percent of our electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources within10 years.” </p>
<p>Challenges are amusing, but where is the money? Besides, France has been producing 95% of her &#8220;electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources&#8221; for more than ten years, but no one in France is suggesting that the situation is good.  </p>
<p>Patrice Ayme<br />
<a href="http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jorleh</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-16471</link>
		<dc:creator>jorleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the potential energy of the Greenland and Antarctic ice masses: energy for all the world for a thousand years: mgh. And fresh water for all the world for ten thousand years. No more sea level rising, no more climate catastrophe.

You are right: the solution for our climate crisis is very, very simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the potential energy of the Greenland and Antarctic ice masses: energy for all the world for a thousand years: mgh. And fresh water for all the world for ten thousand years. No more sea level rising, no more climate catastrophe.</p>
<p>You are right: the solution for our climate crisis is very, very simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Wright</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-16268</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately we have all the technology to do this. During the 10 years an accelerated program of rolling out.. THIS IS COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE TODAY

Before I go into it -- on Transport -- compared to the electricity sector everything is fiscally positive.  You spend money on

#1 an 80% modal shift to fixed RAIL (TramTainLRV as one network) and move freight there too.)   drive train uses 40x less energy per passenger mile

#2 Remaining 20% on Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle
You only increase electricity demand on a standard western grid from 10-20%  Drive train uses about 7-10x less energy per passenger mile

Anyway here are the technologies to get us over the line.  They are all commercially available now.. NO false hope &quot;hydrogen&quot; &quot;Clean Coal&quot; &quot;Fusion&quot; &quot;Compressed Air Cars&quot; or other time wasting pursuits that will result in failure.

1. Concentrating Solar Thermal Plants
- Distributed Power Towers using stirling or rankine cycle turbines with salt storage (Heliostat mirros pointing on tower)
-Distributed Power towers using Concentrating Solar Photovoltaic Spectrolab 40% today (theoretical to 60%) triple junction solar cells
-Distributed Power towers using Concentrating Solar Photovolatic Spectrolab 40% AND a light splitter a couple of metres in front of the aperture taking away the heat for running a second cycle.
-Distributed power tower technology with graphite block on top that directly takes solar insolation then recalling heat when required by pumping water through.

-Dish Concentrating PV
-Dish Concentrating solar with Stirling engine
-Dish concentration solar with highest temp steam in CSP and rankine
-Dish Concentrating solar with ammonia thermochemical dissasociation (Endothermic/exothermic reactor 97% efficient battery)

-Compact Linear Fresnel arrays

- Parabolic Trough Arrays

- Special coatings on all of the above so cleaning is not required, so less reflectivity occurs etc.

- Super insulation of houses
-Using Heat Pumps to heat instead of Gas/Electric
-Using passive solar design on all new houses
-retrofitting passive solar design features to existing housing stock
-Using Real time instantaneous heat pump hot water services (Such as “eco cute” hitachi and matsushita models in Japan) for boosting solar hot water
-No more gas end use, slowly end the use at open cycle power plants as energy security backup as you are rolling out renewables

- using direct solar heat for industrial steam which is the main use of end use gas and electricity in the industrial sector
- commercial buildings with air locks retrofit gas and electric hot water services.

-absorber chillers.

-massive Rail infrastructure and an 80% modal shift to rail (tram and trains as one shared mode) in the cities, Freight by rail frieght by light rail “cargo trams” refrigerated containers on board freight running from 25kv AC overhead line instead of onboard generators etc.

-modal shift 20% of city transportation to plug -in hybrid electric vehicles
-last mile trucking for getting final delivery of some freight.. electrified.
**Rail beats busses cause of 25kv overhead lines and less rolling resistance, 100 year lifespan of rail versus 14year for bitumen road

–Wind Power - Spain installed 3500MW of wind last year — will install 4300MW this year — just tool the factories up and make the turbines. Use the concentrating solar thermal tech above to provide the supply security to deliver a hybrid wind/solar baseload solution

–Plug in hybrids and other loads can be scheduled using smart meters controlled by the grid operator for cheaper tariff

–Close the loop on recycling so upto 100% of materials in to goods are the inputs for new products at the end of their lifecycle. Plastics that can’t be recycled aren’t licensed to be sold for instance.

–residual high density liquid fuels for range extending some PHEV trips and some rural /country last mile freight from Algal Biodiesel / Methanol
Use Algae feedstock - 40x the energy per unit of land versus ethanol/corn

The list goes on. Commercially available off the shelf now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately we have all the technology to do this. During the 10 years an accelerated program of rolling out.. THIS IS COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE TODAY</p>
<p>Before I go into it &#8212; on Transport &#8212; compared to the electricity sector everything is fiscally positive.  You spend money on</p>
<p>#1 an 80% modal shift to fixed RAIL (TramTainLRV as one network) and move freight there too.)   drive train uses 40x less energy per passenger mile</p>
<p>#2 Remaining 20% on Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle<br />
You only increase electricity demand on a standard western grid from 10-20%  Drive train uses about 7-10x less energy per passenger mile</p>
<p>Anyway here are the technologies to get us over the line.  They are all commercially available now.. NO false hope &#8220;hydrogen&#8221; &#8220;Clean Coal&#8221; &#8220;Fusion&#8221; &#8220;Compressed Air Cars&#8221; or other time wasting pursuits that will result in failure.</p>
<p>1. Concentrating Solar Thermal Plants<br />
- Distributed Power Towers using stirling or rankine cycle turbines with salt storage (Heliostat mirros pointing on tower)<br />
-Distributed Power towers using Concentrating Solar Photovoltaic Spectrolab 40% today (theoretical to 60%) triple junction solar cells<br />
-Distributed Power towers using Concentrating Solar Photovolatic Spectrolab 40% AND a light splitter a couple of metres in front of the aperture taking away the heat for running a second cycle.<br />
-Distributed power tower technology with graphite block on top that directly takes solar insolation then recalling heat when required by pumping water through.</p>
<p>-Dish Concentrating PV<br />
-Dish Concentrating solar with Stirling engine<br />
-Dish concentration solar with highest temp steam in CSP and rankine<br />
-Dish Concentrating solar with ammonia thermochemical dissasociation (Endothermic/exothermic reactor 97% efficient battery)</p>
<p>-Compact Linear Fresnel arrays</p>
<p>- Parabolic Trough Arrays</p>
<p>- Special coatings on all of the above so cleaning is not required, so less reflectivity occurs etc.</p>
<p>- Super insulation of houses<br />
-Using Heat Pumps to heat instead of Gas/Electric<br />
-Using passive solar design on all new houses<br />
-retrofitting passive solar design features to existing housing stock<br />
-Using Real time instantaneous heat pump hot water services (Such as “eco cute” hitachi and matsushita models in Japan) for boosting solar hot water<br />
-No more gas end use, slowly end the use at open cycle power plants as energy security backup as you are rolling out renewables</p>
<p>- using direct solar heat for industrial steam which is the main use of end use gas and electricity in the industrial sector<br />
- commercial buildings with air locks retrofit gas and electric hot water services.</p>
<p>-absorber chillers.</p>
<p>-massive Rail infrastructure and an 80% modal shift to rail (tram and trains as one shared mode) in the cities, Freight by rail frieght by light rail “cargo trams” refrigerated containers on board freight running from 25kv AC overhead line instead of onboard generators etc.</p>
<p>-modal shift 20% of city transportation to plug -in hybrid electric vehicles<br />
-last mile trucking for getting final delivery of some freight.. electrified.<br />
**Rail beats busses cause of 25kv overhead lines and less rolling resistance, 100 year lifespan of rail versus 14year for bitumen road</p>
<p>–Wind Power &#8211; Spain installed 3500MW of wind last year — will install 4300MW this year — just tool the factories up and make the turbines. Use the concentrating solar thermal tech above to provide the supply security to deliver a hybrid wind/solar baseload solution</p>
<p>–Plug in hybrids and other loads can be scheduled using smart meters controlled by the grid operator for cheaper tariff</p>
<p>–Close the loop on recycling so upto 100% of materials in to goods are the inputs for new products at the end of their lifecycle. Plastics that can’t be recycled aren’t licensed to be sold for instance.</p>
<p>–residual high density liquid fuels for range extending some PHEV trips and some rural /country last mile freight from Algal Biodiesel / Methanol<br />
Use Algae feedstock &#8211; 40x the energy per unit of land versus ethanol/corn</p>
<p>The list goes on. Commercially available off the shelf now</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Earl Salmony</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-16249</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Earl Salmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone had to say what Al Gore is saying; someone has to be intellectually honest and willing to speak out and clearly as Al Gore is doing. 

Emergent and convergent global challenges, ominously looming before the family of humanity on the far horizon, threaten the future of human civilizations, life as know it and the efficacy of Earth as a fit place for human habitation:  

the human overpopulation of Earth;

the pending loss of adequate fossil fuel reserves and other vital energy sources due to unrestrained international plundering;

the dissipation of limited resources due to reckless per-capita overconsumption;

the problems of global warming in particular and climate change more generally; and

the insufficiently bridled pollution of air, land and water as well as precipitating irreversible degradation of the planet&#039;s frangible ecosystems services due to relentless industrialization and unregulated economic globalization. 

Who knows, perhaps necessary change is in the offing.

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
established 2001
http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone had to say what Al Gore is saying; someone has to be intellectually honest and willing to speak out and clearly as Al Gore is doing. </p>
<p>Emergent and convergent global challenges, ominously looming before the family of humanity on the far horizon, threaten the future of human civilizations, life as know it and the efficacy of Earth as a fit place for human habitation:  </p>
<p>the human overpopulation of Earth;</p>
<p>the pending loss of adequate fossil fuel reserves and other vital energy sources due to unrestrained international plundering;</p>
<p>the dissipation of limited resources due to reckless per-capita overconsumption;</p>
<p>the problems of global warming in particular and climate change more generally; and</p>
<p>the insufficiently bridled pollution of air, land and water as well as precipitating irreversible degradation of the planet&#8217;s frangible ecosystems services due to relentless industrialization and unregulated economic globalization. </p>
<p>Who knows, perhaps necessary change is in the offing.</p>
<p>Steven Earl Salmony<br />
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,<br />
established 2001<br />
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Hollenberg</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/17/gore-speech/#comment-16244</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hollenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claims weren&#039;t wild.  As a matter of fact the science in the movie was found by a judge in Britain to be on the whole well-substantiated, with the exception of 9 &quot;errors&quot; (listed in quotes by the judge, as they were areas that needed further discussion/clarifiaction by teachers showing the movie).  

&quot;The judge, Justice Burton found that &quot;Al Gore&#039;s presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate&quot;.  See this analysis by RealClimate.org which debunks this garbage:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient-untruths/langswitch_lang/de#more-483</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claims weren&#8217;t wild.  As a matter of fact the science in the movie was found by a judge in Britain to be on the whole well-substantiated, with the exception of 9 &#8220;errors&#8221; (listed in quotes by the judge, as they were areas that needed further discussion/clarifiaction by teachers showing the movie).  </p>
<p>&#8220;The judge, Justice Burton found that &#8220;Al Gore&#8217;s presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate&#8221;.  See this analysis by RealClimate.org which debunks this garbage:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient-untruths/langswitch_lang/de#more-483" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>index.php/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>archives/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>convenient-untruths/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>langswitch_lang/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>de#more-483</a></p>
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