Comments on: How to diss-a-peer: Real Climate Scientists take on TVMOB http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:06:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: William Eacho http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16627 William Eacho Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:29:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16627 Here is the reply I received from Alvin Saperstein. I will leave the rejoinder to you. "Our job is to promote discussion – if necessary by occasionally telling the emperor that he is not adequately dressed. Hopefully we have done that. As far as I know, the issue of anthropomorphic impact upon climate is not as well settled as the flatness or roundness of the Earth; more discussion may help bring the issue to that state. (Occasionally, it is very difficult to get alternative viewpoints; we go with what we can get.) We read submitted papers for clarity, not for content – so we do not claim that we are a peer reviewed journal, nor do we only publish stuff that we agree with - as is clearly stated in the “boilerplate”in each issue. (Speaking personally, I am much more in agreement with Hafemeister than with Monckton, though I do not claim to be a peer reviewer.) We would welcome a contribution from you pointing out to our readers some of Monckton’s errors. All of us would benefit from such rejoinders." Alvin M. Saperstein Dept. of Physics Wayne State University Detroit, MI 48202 313/577-2733 ams@physics.wayne.edu Co-editor: Physics and Society Quarterly journal of APS Forum on Physics and Society- See us on the web: http://www.aps.org/units/fps/ Here is the reply I received from Alvin Saperstein. I will leave the rejoinder to you.
“Our job is to promote discussion – if necessary by occasionally telling the emperor that he is not adequately dressed. Hopefully we have done that. As far as I know, the issue of anthropomorphic impact upon climate is not as well settled as the flatness or roundness of the Earth; more discussion may help bring the issue to that state. (Occasionally, it is very difficult to get alternative viewpoints; we go with what we can get.) We read submitted papers for clarity, not for content – so we do not claim that we are a peer reviewed journal, nor do we only publish stuff that we agree with - as is clearly stated in the “boilerplate”in each issue. (Speaking personally, I am much more in agreement with Hafemeister than with Monckton, though I do not claim to be a peer reviewer.) We would welcome a contribution from you pointing out to our readers some of Monckton’s errors. All of us would benefit from such rejoinders.”

Alvin M. Saperstein
Dept. of Physics
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI 48202
313/577-2733
ams@physics.wayne.edu
Co-editor: Physics and Society
Quarterly journal of APS Forum on Physics and Society-
See us on the web: http://www.aps.org/units/fps/

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16628 Dano Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:31 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16628 <i>As far as I know, the issue of <b>anthropomorphic</b> impact upon climate is not as well settled as the flatness or roundness of the Earth; more discussion may help bring the issue to that state. </i> [emphasis added] Speaking of ecology, ecosystems and physicists who don't know natural science, a good clue might be: if this guy did work in the natural sciences, he'd have used the proper term: anthropogenic. Best, D As far as I know, the issue of anthropomorphic impact upon climate is not as well settled as the flatness or roundness of the Earth; more discussion may help bring the issue to that state. [emphasis added]

Speaking of ecology, ecosystems and physicists who don’t know natural science, a good clue might be: if this guy did work in the natural sciences, he’d have used the proper term: anthropogenic.

Best,

D

]]> By: Arthur Smith http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16649 Arthur Smith Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:01:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16649 For what it's worth, I sent Marque and Saperstein a science-based response to their July issue; I'm sure they have a few others to select among. I cc'ed Monckton and received a quick and extraordinarily detailed "rebuttal", complete with personal attacks of several sorts. There are a few issues he clearly doesn't understand, a few issues where he seems to be relying on "experts" like Lindzen and McKitrick (and over-generously interpreting the ambiguous things they typically say) and others where he just wants to be contentious. Whatever. I was surprised at the speed and vigor of the response, at least. Not sure what to make of it - is it the only one he was cc'ed on? For what it’s worth, I sent Marque and Saperstein a science-based response to their July issue; I’m sure they have a few others to select among. I cc’ed Monckton and received a quick and extraordinarily detailed “rebuttal”, complete with personal attacks of several sorts. There are a few issues he clearly doesn’t understand, a few issues where he seems to be relying on “experts” like Lindzen and McKitrick (and over-generously interpreting the ambiguous things they typically say) and others where he just wants to be contentious. Whatever. I was surprised at the speed and vigor of the response, at least. Not sure what to make of it - is it the only one he was cc’ed on?

]]> By: Brewster http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16655 Brewster Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:22:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16655 Or maybe, Arthur, he's had so many cc's he has put together a form letter... Or maybe, Arthur, he’s had so many cc’s he has put together a form letter…

]]> By: Arthur Smith http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16661 Arthur Smith Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:03:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16661 Well, he might have cobbled together answers he's prepared on one or two of the issues I raised, but for the most part, it was really very specific to my comments (the personal attacks were certainly quite specific!) I don't feel at liberty to quote the whole thing, but on one claim for instance he writes "Finally, Dr. Smith sneers (ad hominem being never far from the surface of his letter) that perhaps I am unaware that non-linear systems can be linearized under small perturbations.” and there are at least a dozen similar statements in the text... Well, he might have cobbled together answers he’s prepared on one or two of the issues I raised, but for the most part, it was really very specific to my comments (the personal attacks were certainly quite specific!) I don’t feel at liberty to quote the whole thing, but on one claim for instance he writes “Finally, Dr. Smith sneers (ad hominem being never far from the surface of his letter) that perhaps I am unaware that non-linear systems can be linearized under small perturbations.” and there are at least a dozen similar statements in the text…

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16672 Dano Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:15:49 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16672 <i>I was surprised at the speed and vigor of the response, at least. Not sure what to make of it - is it the only one he was cc’ed on? </i> He's not doing research or peer review, but rather waiting for remuneration from Heritage/CEI/Exxon axis for his work. So he's got plenty of time for "rebuttals". In my view. Best, D I was surprised at the speed and vigor of the response, at least. Not sure what to make of it - is it the only one he was cc’ed on?

He’s not doing research or peer review, but rather waiting for remuneration from Heritage/CEI/Exxon axis for his work. So he’s got plenty of time for “rebuttals”. In my view.

Best,

D

]]> By: EliRabett http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16827 EliRabett Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:53:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/24/how-to-diss-a-peer-real-climate-scientists-take-on-tvmob/#comment-16827 Anyhow, Brenchley has published your letter Arthur, and <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/07/lord-voldemort-bleats-we-have-become.html" rel="nofollow"> Eli has a suggestion. . .</a> Anyhow, Brenchley has published your letter Arthur, and Eli has a suggestion. . .

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