Comments on: Since offshore oil is de minimis, why shouldn’t Obama and the Dems make a deal? Part 1 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:55:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: erotik http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-30041 erotik Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:52:12 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-30041 It seems to me there’s a pretty good chance to get serious efforts to end oil addiction in the compromise. The Republicans put the Democrats in an untenable position with their efforts in offshore oil drilling. The Democrats can do the same thing with a proposal that accepts the offshore drilling point, but only in exchange for efforts that tend to reduce our need for oil in the first place (economic incentives to promote FFVs and PHEVs, R&D, etc). It seems to me there’s a pretty good chance to get serious efforts to end oil addiction in the compromise. The Republicans put the Democrats in an untenable position with their efforts in offshore oil drilling. The Democrats can do the same thing with a proposal that accepts the offshore drilling point, but only in exchange for efforts that tend to reduce our need for oil in the first place (economic incentives to promote FFVs and PHEVs, R&D, etc).

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]]> By: john http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17228 john Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:49:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17228 Joe: I agree completely. Unfortunately, once again the press has blown the coverage of what Obama said -- as they tell it (including NPR) he flipped his position. However, he offered to compromise on limited offshore leasing if it meant the rest of his energy package was accepted. That's a bargain, considering the oil guys are after the leases, not the oil. If they wanted oil, they'd be drilling in the OCS leases they have now -- there's more oil there than in ANWR and the new OCS leases they're after. What's not to like? Joe:

I agree completely. Unfortunately, once again the press has blown the coverage of what Obama said — as they tell it (including NPR) he flipped his position. However, he offered to compromise on limited offshore leasing if it meant the rest of his energy package was accepted.

That’s a bargain, considering the oil guys are after the leases, not the oil. If they wanted oil, they’d be drilling in the OCS leases they have now — there’s more oil there than in ANWR and the new OCS leases they’re after.

What’s not to like?

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17214 Paul K Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:31:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17214 Here's <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/National-Energy-Policy.pdf" rel="nofollow">one</a>. Here’s one.

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17209 Paul K Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:53:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17209 Joe, The compromise has been on the table for seven years. I am glad falling poll numbers have convinced Obama to follow McCain's lead. Voters will assess the constancy of Obama's stated positions. I wonder if Russ Feingold, a true progressive, thinks being the first candidate to eschew public financing "strengthens the system". [<em>JR: Don't know what planet you are talking about. Show me a link from 2001 for this deal.</em>] Joe,
The compromise has been on the table for seven years. I am glad falling poll numbers have convinced Obama to follow McCain’s lead. Voters will assess the constancy of Obama’s stated positions. I wonder if Russ Feingold, a true progressive, thinks being the first candidate to eschew public financing “strengthens the system”.

[JR: Don't know what planet you are talking about. Show me a link from 2001 for this deal.]

]]> By: anyfreeman http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17191 anyfreeman Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:05:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17191 The confusion is that "Outrage, Inc." has tied hung a burning tire around alternate energy, lashed it to elitist san francisco values, limousine liberals, and started target practice on it just in time for the election. There are two problems 1) the 'stop big oil' rhetoric has been used against energy independence as 'looney liberals are siphoning your gas, and stealing your freedom' 2) the positioning for the campaign is not the solution for the success of renewal energy and independence longterm. Tying one's tail to a candidate's kite might not be strategically or tactically prudent. McCain actually brought a bill to Congress in 2003 putting a price to emissions and carbon. His comments at the time it was murdered by "the unholy alliance of oil, auto and coal interests" demonstrated his signature stubbornness to not lie down when he had been shot. I suggest all future discussions in the political arena be framed as "The right to clean air, energy independence only being achievable through our innovation and ingenuity. The solar industry was created by Do it yourselfers. Whatever happens during the election, significant solar and alternate energy strategists must give the candidates redemptive 'outs' or else. Big Oil, Big Coal, and Detroit will win if the altenergy group dons their tinhats and starts driving nails into the redwoods. The confusion is that “Outrage, Inc.” has tied hung a burning tire around alternate energy, lashed it to elitist san francisco values, limousine liberals,
and started target practice on it just in time for the election.

There are two problems 1) the ’stop big oil’ rhetoric has been used against energy independence as ‘looney liberals are siphoning your gas, and stealing your freedom’
2) the positioning for the campaign is not the solution for the success of renewal energy and independence longterm.

Tying one’s tail to a candidate’s kite might not be strategically or tactically prudent. McCain actually brought a bill to Congress in 2003 putting a price to emissions and carbon. His comments at the time it was murdered by
“the unholy alliance of oil, auto and coal interests” demonstrated his signature stubbornness to not lie down when he had been shot.

I suggest all future discussions in the political arena be framed as “The right to clean air, energy independence only being achievable through our innovation and ingenuity. The solar industry was created by Do it yourselfers.

Whatever happens during the election, significant solar and alternate energy strategists must give the candidates redemptive ‘outs’ or else.
Big Oil, Big Coal, and Detroit will win if the altenergy group dons their tinhats and starts driving nails into the redwoods.

]]> By: John Hollenberg http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17175 John Hollenberg Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:15:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17175 Paul, Obama hasn't changed his position on drilling, he is just willing to compromise in order to get something a lot more important. This is the sign of someone who could get things done. Paul,

Obama hasn’t changed his position on drilling, he is just willing to compromise in order to get something a lot more important. This is the sign of someone who could get things done.

]]> By: Paul K http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17168 Paul K Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:49:04 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17168 Campaign funding, FISA, Iraq and now drilling. How many more progressive positions will Obama abandon? How can anyone have confidence that any of his positions won't change with the political winds? red. The Senate Republican bill contains unprecedented support for plug-in and EV. [<em>JR: Iraq? No change? Campaign funding? No abandonment of core principles. Drilling? I'd rather have thought you'd like someone who can compromise.</em>] Campaign funding, FISA, Iraq and now drilling. How many more progressive positions will Obama abandon? How can anyone have confidence that any of his positions won’t change with the political winds?

red.
The Senate Republican bill contains unprecedented support for plug-in and EV.

[JR: Iraq? No change? Campaign funding? No abandonment of core principles. Drilling? I'd rather have thought you'd like someone who can compromise.]

]]> By: redace http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17164 redace Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:48:47 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17164 John McCain does understand that this is not a long term solution. In a private function he alluded that this is more of a perception boost on the public since offshore drilling will not yeild immediate results John McCain does understand that this is not a long term solution. In a private function he alluded that this is more of a perception boost on the public since offshore drilling will not yeild immediate results

]]> By: Dennis http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17161 Dennis Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:22:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/03/since-offshore-oil-is-de-minimis-why-shouldnt-obama-and-the-dems-make-a-deal-part-1/#comment-17161 Politically Obama did the right thing. The important thing is to keep renewalables funded. Realistically everyone who is not in the pocket of big oil (and maybe them as well ...) knows that this move will do nothing for the price of oil. But wait, there's more: the Republicans next move will be a cry to remove all those pesky environmental regulations that are needlessly delaying the oil companies from moving the oil rigs in place right now. Anyone want to bet that's what we will hear next? Politically Obama did the right thing. The important thing is to keep renewalables funded.

Realistically everyone who is not in the pocket of big oil (and maybe them as well …) knows that this move will do nothing for the price of oil.

But wait, there’s more: the Republicans next move will be a cry to remove all those pesky environmental regulations that are needlessly delaying the oil companies from moving the oil rigs in place right now. Anyone want to bet that’s what we will hear next?

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