Comments on: Utility decoupling on steroids http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:55:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: utanma http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-28061 utanma Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:18:49 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-28061 New England has had transmission constraints, relatively high prices, and in Maine and Vermont, relatively high use of biofuels for heating and even industrial energy, so these have likely contributed to the lower prices. John: Thanks - that is a clearer explanation. The link has some presentations which have graphics shwoing a hypothetical descending clock auction which are quite good, too. New England has had transmission constraints, relatively high prices, and in Maine and Vermont, relatively high use of biofuels for heating and even industrial energy, so these have likely contributed to the lower prices.

John:

Thanks – that is a clearer explanation. The link has some presentations which have graphics shwoing a hypothetical descending clock auction which are quite good, too.

]]> By: utanma http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-28060 utanma Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:18:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-28060 As with most innovative energy policies, California led the way, decoupling utility profits from power sales in 1982 and ramping the policy up in 2007. Decoupling has been a big reason California has held its per capita electricity consumption flat for 3 decades while the rest of the country’s per capita use has increased by 50%. ” waow 50% very big As with most innovative energy policies, California led the way, decoupling utility profits from power sales in 1982 and ramping the policy up in 2007. Decoupling has been a big reason California has held its per capita electricity consumption flat for 3 decades while the rest of the country’s per capita use has increased by 50%. ” waow 50% very big

]]> By: shop http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-27539 shop Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:13:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-27539 As with most innovative energy policies, California led the way, decoupling utility profits from power sales in 1982 and ramping the policy up in 2007. Decoupling has been a big reason California has held its per capita electricity consumption flat for 3 decades while the rest of the country’s per capita use has increased by 50%. " waow 50% very big As with most innovative energy policies, California led the way, decoupling utility profits from power sales in 1982 and ramping the policy up in 2007. Decoupling has been a big reason California has held its per capita electricity consumption flat for 3 decades while the rest of the country’s per capita use has increased by 50%. ” waow 50% very big

]]> By: john http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17741 john Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:50:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17741 Earl: New England has had transmission constraints, relatively high prices, and in Maine and Vermont, relatively high use of biofuels for heating and even industrial energy, so these have likely contributed to the lower prices. John: Thanks - that is a clearer explanation. The link has some presentations which have graphics shwoing a hypothetical descending clock auction which are quite good, too. Earl:

New England has had transmission constraints, relatively high prices, and in Maine and Vermont, relatively high use of biofuels for heating and even industrial energy, so these have likely contributed to the lower prices.

John:

Thanks – that is a clearer explanation. The link has some presentations which have graphics shwoing a hypothetical descending clock auction which are quite good, too.

]]> By: John Hollenberg http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17685 John Hollenberg Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:09:12 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17685 I had a bit of trouble understanding the "descending clock auction", and found this quote that describes it better for me: "The FCA is a “descending clock” auction, a common auction format. The ISO names a price, and suppliers indicate the quantity of capacity they are willing to offer at that price. If there is more supply than needed, price is decreased; some suppliers may choose, at this lower price, not to offer some of their capacity. This process continues until ISO has winnowed out the high-cost offers and is purchasing just enough capacity to meet the Installed Capacity Requirement from the most economical sources. The resulting price is then the auction clearing price, which all selected suppliers are paid." See this link: http://www.nepga.org/contents/factsheet8030606.pdf I had a bit of trouble understanding the “descending clock auction”, and found this quote that describes it better for me:

“The FCA is a “descending clock” auction, a common auction format. The ISO names a price, and suppliers indicate the quantity of capacity they are willing to offer at that price. If there is more supply than needed, price is decreased; some suppliers may choose, at this lower price, not to offer some of their capacity. This process continues until ISO has winnowed out the high-cost offers and is purchasing just enough capacity to meet the
Installed Capacity Requirement from the most economical sources. The resulting price is then the auction clearing price, which all selected suppliers are paid.”

See this link: http://www.nepga.org/contents/factsheet8030606.pdf

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17641 Earl Killian Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:25:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17641 John, thank you for the article. In 2005, New England was 8,970 kWh per capita. Are there any estimates, goals, etc. for what this could become with decoupling? What policies other than decoupling allowed NE to be 27% below the national average of 12,347 kWh per capita? John, thank you for the article. In 2005, New England was 8,970 kWh per capita. Are there any estimates, goals, etc. for what this could become with decoupling? What policies other than decoupling allowed NE to be 27% below the national average of 12,347 kWh per capita?

]]> By: john http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17631 john Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:32:12 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17631 The article has a hyperlink to the "rules" ISO applies to new sources. Demand-side bidders have specific requirements unique to them. Under those rules, it appears as though co-ops and consortia could qualify, provided they could meet M&V requirements and they met financial responsibility obligations. ISO NE's web site has a listing of the winning bidders. As for size, it varies according to the type of demand side measure being proposed. As noted, this is an extremely complex plan, and it would be difficult to summarize here. I'd suggest starting with this link: http://www.iso-ne.com/genrtion_resrcs/dr/broch_tools/intro_to_dr_in_fcm_training_21607.ppt. The article has a hyperlink to the “rules” ISO applies to new sources. Demand-side bidders have specific requirements unique to them. Under those rules, it appears as though co-ops and consortia could qualify, provided they could meet M&V requirements and they met financial responsibility obligations. ISO NE’s web site has a listing of the winning bidders.

As for size, it varies according to the type of demand side measure being proposed. As noted, this is an extremely complex plan, and it would be difficult to summarize here. I’d suggest starting with this link: http://www.iso-ne.com/ genrtion_resrcs/ dr/ broch_tools/ intro_to_dr_in_fcm_training_21607.ppt.

]]> By: kenlevenson http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17627 kenlevenson Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:36:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17627 Thanks. So are these demand side bidders big commercial landlords or retailers or industrial or institutional stand alone users? Or are they consortiums of users? Could they be a co-op of some sort? Or are they separate "energy companies" that makes efficiency plans/contracts for all or some of the above? Or both... What kind of savings scale does a bidder need to achieve? Just curious. Thanks.
So are these demand side bidders big commercial landlords or retailers or industrial or institutional stand alone users?
Or are they consortiums of users?
Could they be a co-op of some sort?
Or are they separate “energy companies” that makes efficiency plans/contracts for all or some of the above?
Or both…
What kind of savings scale does a bidder need to achieve?
Just curious.

]]> By: john http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17621 john Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:13:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17621 They run the gamut from demand response projects (shutting down big energy users like air conditioners etc. during periods of peak loads) to traditional efficiency projects such as replacing HVAC systems, lighting etc. the key often is aggregation. And don't worry -- the rules and terms for transmission and distribution are astoundingly complex ... sort of like the third tranche in a hedge fund. They run the gamut from demand response projects (shutting down big energy users like air conditioners etc. during periods of peak loads) to traditional efficiency projects such as replacing HVAC systems, lighting etc. the key often is aggregation.

And don’t worry — the rules and terms for transmission and distribution are astoundingly complex … sort of like the third tranche in a hedge fund.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17620 David B. Benson Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:13:24 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/13/utility-decoupling-on-steroids/#comment-17620 What kenlevenson wrote. What kenlevenson wrote.

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