Comments on: Most revealing Palin energy whopper: Iran could cut off a fifth of the world’s energy supplies http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:22:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: shop http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-27357 shop Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:33:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-27357 And one more thing. If you were really worried about the possibility Iran might cut off a fifth of the world’s oil supply, cut off some 20 million barrels of oil a day, then it is inane to say you confront that threat by saying “we need to produce more of our own oil and gas.” If you opened every conceivable area now off-limits to drilling, you might get 1 million barrel of oil a day starting in 10 years. And one more thing. If you were really worried about the possibility Iran might cut off a fifth of the world’s oil supply, cut off some 20 million barrels of oil a day, then it is inane to say you confront that threat by saying “we need to produce more of our own oil and gas.” If you opened every conceivable area now off-limits to drilling, you might get 1 million barrel of oil a day starting in 10 years.

]]> By: Stu http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18686 Stu Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:15:03 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18686 Just love the yanks attitudes when it comes to oil. The politically correct maintain every war US involves itself in is just a greedy grab for oil, never mind the reality that the US is not stealing Iraqs oil and infact the Irag government is making mega millions on their oil and US is paying the same as everyone else in the world for it. On top of that, US has spent and is continuing to spend more money on building up Iraqs infastructure, economy, and defense then it could ever recover even if it stole every drop of oil in Iraq for the next 10 years. While they continue with these idiotic theories, they drive around in massive gallon guzzling monster cars which, if it were true, creates the thirst for oil that would lead the US to the plundering policies they accuse their own governments of. Then they oppose governments that want to increase US oil production so they wont have to rely on middle east oil as much. They refuse to stop driving their massive truck cars and armoured personal carriers SUV etc etc. They reject electric cars and hybrids more then any developed nation. Buying oil from the middle east is transferring more wealth from US to Islamic nations founded on ideologies that command them to destroy western states and convert, subjugate, or kill it's subjects. Why don't you fucking yanks start backing alternatives, solar, wind, electric cars, and in meantime start extracting every drop of oil and gas as possible from every non-middle east territory as possible. Dependence on Islamic oil is driving the need to suck up to all these horrible regimes all around the world.....and Saudi Arabia is just a land of barbaric morons that is funding nearly every hate preaching mosque and school in your country. Personally I think every country should ban the use of V8 and large six cylinder vehicles except where demonstrated to be required for particular use. No car manufacturer or importer should get one cent from government until they produce a certain amount of electric and hybrid cars. Just love the yanks attitudes when it comes to oil. The politically correct maintain every war US involves itself in is just a greedy grab for oil, never mind the reality that the US is not stealing Iraqs oil and infact the Irag government is making mega millions on their oil and US is paying the same as everyone else in the world for it. On top of that, US has spent and is continuing to spend more money on building up Iraqs infastructure, economy, and defense then it could ever recover even if it stole every drop of oil in Iraq for the next 10 years.

While they continue with these idiotic theories, they drive around in massive gallon guzzling monster cars which, if it were true, creates the thirst for oil that would lead the US to the plundering policies they accuse their own governments of.

Then they oppose governments that want to increase US oil production so they wont have to rely on middle east oil as much.

They refuse to stop driving their massive truck cars and armoured personal carriers SUV etc etc. They reject electric cars and hybrids more then any developed nation.

Buying oil from the middle east is transferring more wealth from US to Islamic nations founded on ideologies that command them to destroy western states and convert, subjugate, or kill it’s subjects.

Why don’t you fucking yanks start backing alternatives, solar, wind, electric cars, and in meantime start extracting every drop of oil and gas as possible from every non-middle east territory as possible. Dependence on Islamic oil is driving the need to suck up to all these horrible regimes all around the world…..and Saudi Arabia is just a land of barbaric morons that is funding nearly every hate preaching mosque and school in your country.

Personally I think every country should ban the use of V8 and large six cylinder vehicles except where demonstrated to be required for particular use. No car manufacturer or importer should get one cent from government until they produce a certain amount of electric and hybrid cars.

]]> By: Scott http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18616 Scott Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:35:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18616 It's always about the money. Palin was picked so "IF" the mccain party wins, it will be easier to drill in Alaska. NOT for the benefit for America, but for the benefit for there "purses". It’s always about the money. Palin was picked so “IF” the mccain party wins, it will be easier to drill in Alaska. NOT for the benefit for America, but for the benefit for there “purses”.

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18589 Robert Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:33:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18589 Re previous post, Oil price chronology, 1970 onwards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oil_price_chronology-june2007.gif Re previous post, Oil price chronology, 1970 onwards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Image:Oil_price_chronology-june2007.gif

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18588 Robert Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:32:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18588 This discussion is rather missing the point. If Iran did carry out its threats to disrupt supply the main effect would be massive (new) increases and volatility in the price of oil and huge (extra) increases in the flow of money from consuming to producing nations. For a world already on the edge of recession this would be the final straw. It would be a rerun of the oil shocks of the '70s which kicked off with an instant quadrupling in price from $3 to $12, rising to $40 within a decade. The real reason for getting off oil (aside from climate change) is that it is ultimately unsustainable. As Isaac Asimov pointed out many years ago, the planet is finite, therefore fossil fuels are finite. Oil producers do not "produce" oil - they just withdraw it from our inheritance. And when it is gone is is really gone. Meanwhile the population continues to head towards 10 billion with precious little in the way of a plan B. We might get by with electric cars but someone tell me how agriculture is going to continue absent fertiliser, pesticides and farm machinery? Special congratulations to Sarah Palin and her clan. If we all have 5 kids then we could hit 17 billion within a generation. This discussion is rather missing the point. If Iran did carry out its threats to disrupt supply the main effect would be massive (new) increases and volatility in the price of oil and huge (extra) increases in the flow of money from consuming to producing nations. For a world already on the edge of recession this would be the final straw. It would be a rerun of the oil shocks of the ’70s which kicked off with an instant quadrupling in price from $3 to $12, rising to $40 within a decade.

The real reason for getting off oil (aside from climate change) is that it is ultimately unsustainable. As Isaac Asimov pointed out many years ago, the planet is finite, therefore fossil fuels are finite. Oil producers do not “produce” oil – they just withdraw it from our inheritance. And when it is gone is is really gone.

Meanwhile the population continues to head towards 10 billion with precious little in the way of a plan B. We might get by with electric cars but someone tell me how agriculture is going to continue absent fertiliser, pesticides and farm machinery?

Special congratulations to Sarah Palin and her clan. If we all have 5 kids then we could hit 17 billion within a generation.

]]> By: anon http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18580 anon Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:17:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18580 Great post. There is a typo, though: "congfront" Great post. There is a typo, though: “congfront”

]]> By: cpmmoe http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18579 cpmmoe Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:13:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18579 I think it is highly unlikely that McCain will come out in favor of drilling in ANWR-at least until and if he is elected. On balance my speculation is that the general public, while in favor of increased drilling in some areas when asked about the issue in some-poorly worded?-polls is still not in favor of drilling in ANWR I think it is highly unlikely that McCain will come out in favor of drilling in ANWR-at least until and if he is elected. On balance my speculation is that the general public, while in favor of increased drilling in some areas when asked about the issue in some-poorly worded?-polls is still not in favor of drilling in ANWR

]]> By: hapa http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18577 hapa Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:10:42 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18577 need to recalculate this, to include the natural gas resources in iran or within their sphere of influence. need to recalculate this, to include the natural gas resources in iran or within their sphere of influence.

]]> By: Samuel http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18567 Samuel Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:41:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18567 Just to remind everyone, this is what McCain currently says about ANWR: (1) "ANWR is a pristine place. I don't support drilling there. I just feel that it's an area that, one, it would take years, I think, before you could actually exploit it;" (2) "ANWR is a pristine place and if they found oil in the Grand Canyon, I don’t think I’d drill in the Grand Canyon." I don't know when he'll flip-flop on this one, but it's definitely on its way. Just to remind everyone, this is what McCain currently says about ANWR: (1) “ANWR is a pristine place. I don’t support drilling there. I just feel that it’s an area that, one, it would take years, I think, before you could actually exploit it;” (2) “ANWR is a pristine place and if they found oil in the Grand Canyon, I don’t think I’d drill in the Grand Canyon.”

I don’t know when he’ll flip-flop on this one, but it’s definitely on its way.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18563 Joe Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:11:33 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/04/most-revealing-palin-energy-whopper-iran-could-cut-off-a-fifth-of-the-worlds-energy-supplies/#comment-18563 No, it is 5 TW out of 15 TW. You don't see a lot of renewables -- especially biomass. No, it is 5 TW out of 15 TW. You don’t see a lot of renewables — especially biomass.

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