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		<title>By: azdırıcı</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-33843</link>
		<dc:creator>azdırıcı</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think it showed the lack of vision and the hollowness of the current energy policy advocated by the right-wing party faithful of the GOP. It was truly frightening, but at least the mask is off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think it showed the lack of vision and the hollowness of the current energy policy advocated by the right-wing party faithful of the GOP. It was truly frightening, but at least the mask is off.</p>
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		<title>By: büyütücü</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-28771</link>
		<dc:creator>büyütücü</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Drill, baby, drill” is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Drill, baby, drill” is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</p>
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		<title>By: shop</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-27201</link>
		<dc:creator>shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let’s face facts. Big Oil’s agenda is not about saving us money at the pump. It’s about making them more money any way they can.

As outrageous as that is, we cannot win without Congress hearing from more Americans like you.

“Drill, baby, drill” is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s face facts. Big Oil’s agenda is not about saving us money at the pump. It’s about making them more money any way they can.</p>
<p>As outrageous as that is, we cannot win without Congress hearing from more Americans like you.</p>
<p>“Drill, baby, drill” is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Finnell</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-18801</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Finnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cross posted from Environment America&#039;s Daily Kos Diary http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/15457/79891/662/591234

I couldn&#039;t quite believe it myself when I heard the crowd at the Republican National Convention last week, whipped up into a frenzy over the idea of opening our precious coasts to new drilling. 

Take Action Here
https://www.environmentamerica.org/action/drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM

In the last few days, 10,000 of us have urged our representatives and senators in Congress to say no to new offshore drilling, no to putting our beautiful coasts at risk of devastating spills, and no to the false hope of a quick-and-dirty fix to our energy problems. That&#039;s a fantastic accomplishment in such a short time.

But frankly, we need to do more to make ourselves heard over the din of &quot;drill, baby, drill&quot; -- especially when Big Oil&#039;s propaganda machine can so easily amplify their call on Capitol Hill.

As soon as the next few days, Congress will vote on whether to pass an energy policy paid for by Big Oil or one that puts us on a path toward a clean, sustainable energy future. Tell Congress to put a stop to the Big Oil agenda right now.

Take Action
https://www.environmentamerica.org/action/drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM

We&#039;re raising the voice of people from all over the country to expose Big Oil&#039;s self-serving agenda, which includes:

  * Saying NO to clean energy and energy efficiency tax credits,
  * Saying YES to $13.5 billion in tax giveaways to the oil industry, and
  * Saying YES to new drilling off our coasts.

Let&#039;s face facts. Big Oil&#039;s agenda is not about saving us money at the pump. It&#039;s about making them more money any way they can.

As outrageous as that is, we cannot win without Congress hearing from more Americans like you.

&quot;Drill, baby, drill&quot; is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cross posted from Environment America&#8217;s Daily Kos Diary <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/15457/79891/662/591234" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>story/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>9/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>8/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>15457/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>79891/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>662/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>591234</a></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t quite believe it myself when I heard the crowd at the Republican National Convention last week, whipped up into a frenzy over the idea of opening our precious coasts to new drilling. </p>
<p>Take Action Here<br />
<a href="https://www.environmentamerica.org/action/drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM" rel="nofollow">https://www.environmentamerica.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>action/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM</a></p>
<p>In the last few days, 10,000 of us have urged our representatives and senators in Congress to say no to new offshore drilling, no to putting our beautiful coasts at risk of devastating spills, and no to the false hope of a quick-and-dirty fix to our energy problems. That&#8217;s a fantastic accomplishment in such a short time.</p>
<p>But frankly, we need to do more to make ourselves heard over the din of &#8220;drill, baby, drill&#8221; &#8212; especially when Big Oil&#8217;s propaganda machine can so easily amplify their call on Capitol Hill.</p>
<p>As soon as the next few days, Congress will vote on whether to pass an energy policy paid for by Big Oil or one that puts us on a path toward a clean, sustainable energy future. Tell Congress to put a stop to the Big Oil agenda right now.</p>
<p>Take Action<br />
<a href="https://www.environmentamerica.org/action/drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM" rel="nofollow">https://www.environmentamerica.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>action/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>drill-baby-drill-congress?id=COM</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;re raising the voice of people from all over the country to expose Big Oil&#8217;s self-serving agenda, which includes:</p>
<p>  * Saying NO to clean energy and energy efficiency tax credits,<br />
  * Saying YES to $13.5 billion in tax giveaways to the oil industry, and<br />
  * Saying YES to new drilling off our coasts.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face facts. Big Oil&#8217;s agenda is not about saving us money at the pump. It&#8217;s about making them more money any way they can.</p>
<p>As outrageous as that is, we cannot win without Congress hearing from more Americans like you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Drill, baby, drill&#8221; is no solution to our energy problems, not by a long shot. Help us stand up to Big Oil today.</p>
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		<title>By: George Reynoldson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-18755</link>
		<dc:creator>George Reynoldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone not subconsciously awakened during Giuliani’s speech to the horrific interracial hatreds of forty-three years ago in Watts (led by the “burn baby burn” mantra) must have been taking a blissful Orwellian nap.  Otherwise how could anybody listening to the Republican’s rhythmic “drill baby drill” repetitive slogan not react in panic?
Not only did Giuliani’s “newspeak” leave me petrified of the Republican Party but left me wondering how viewers were not instantly awakened to the apocalyptic “Great Earth Burn” (AGW) potential of the US establishment’s new “Great Drill Campaign.”  Only those in super denial or those too young to recall the 60’s racial propagandists who burned Watts to the ground while yelling “burn baby burn” could be emotionally disconnected from the parallelism these twin mantras SHOULD conjure up in our national consciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone not subconsciously awakened during Giuliani’s speech to the horrific interracial hatreds of forty-three years ago in Watts (led by the “burn baby burn” mantra) must have been taking a blissful Orwellian nap.  Otherwise how could anybody listening to the Republican’s rhythmic “drill baby drill” repetitive slogan not react in panic?<br />
Not only did Giuliani’s “newspeak” leave me petrified of the Republican Party but left me wondering how viewers were not instantly awakened to the apocalyptic “Great Earth Burn” (AGW) potential of the US establishment’s new “Great Drill Campaign.”  Only those in super denial or those too young to recall the 60’s racial propagandists who burned Watts to the ground while yelling “burn baby burn” could be emotionally disconnected from the parallelism these twin mantras SHOULD conjure up in our national consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-18749</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:

Talk about bait and switch ... there&#039;s a big difference between tolerating drilling on existing offshore leases and advocating that the ban on new leases be dropped.

There&#039;s an even bigger difference between being against developing shale oil, and being for it.  

It&#039;s amazing you would provide the link to Obama&#039;s plan when it clearly shows you&#039;re lying.  And yes, it is now clear that you are lying -- not merely grossly misinformed.  

You ought to stop embarrassing yourself.  Most of us who frequent this site actually read stuff, so your baseless, doctrinaire assertions don&#039;t work here.

Go sell fantasy to people who don&#039;t deal in reality -- like the Republican Party, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>Talk about bait and switch &#8230; there&#8217;s a big difference between tolerating drilling on existing offshore leases and advocating that the ban on new leases be dropped.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an even bigger difference between being against developing shale oil, and being for it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing you would provide the link to Obama&#8217;s plan when it clearly shows you&#8217;re lying.  And yes, it is now clear that you are lying &#8212; not merely grossly misinformed.  </p>
<p>You ought to stop embarrassing yourself.  Most of us who frequent this site actually read stuff, so your baseless, doctrinaire assertions don&#8217;t work here.</p>
<p>Go sell fantasy to people who don&#8217;t deal in reality &#8212; like the Republican Party, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SqueakyRat,
Energy independence is a critical step in the transition mostly because it keeps the money here for our economic benefit rather than sending it elsewhere. 

You ask &quot;Does it make that portfolio a better risk for capital investment? Not necessarily, but it could well increase the amount of capital availbe for investment.
&quot;Does it increase demand for that portfolio? It shouldn&#039;t have much effect on way or another for reasons I will explain.
&quot;Does it provide more public funds for research and development of that portfolio? Yes, because of the extra tax revenues generated.

When thinking about our future energy mix, it is useful to separate fossil fuels used for transportation energy (petroleum) from electricity generating energy (coal). They are different problems with different solutions. Solving one does not necessarily automatically solve the other, nor does not solving one necessarily prevent a solution for the other. 

The solution to coal is is the maximum deployment of alternative generating technology and efficiencies. These technologies are right now getting increasing amounts of capital investment. Their growth is exponential. The big problem here, aside from the required massive transmission infrastructure improvements, involves old coal costs that I don&#039;t fully understand. Earl Killian does and I defer to his superior wisdom about it.

The solution to petroleum is efficiency in the form of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and EV vehicles. By 2045 it very likely there will be very few gasoline cars on the road. Hybrids are already cost effective vs gas powered cars. The only limit on hybrid sales is availability. They fly out of dealer showrooms. Demand far outweighs supply. I would be surprised if gas only cars are even manufactured in 2025 or earlier. When mass produced plug-ins and EVs become available, demand for them will also be tremendous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SqueakyRat,<br />
Energy independence is a critical step in the transition mostly because it keeps the money here for our economic benefit rather than sending it elsewhere. </p>
<p>You ask &#8220;Does it make that portfolio a better risk for capital investment? Not necessarily, but it could well increase the amount of capital availbe for investment.<br />
&#8220;Does it increase demand for that portfolio? It shouldn&#8217;t have much effect on way or another for reasons I will explain.<br />
&#8220;Does it provide more public funds for research and development of that portfolio? Yes, because of the extra tax revenues generated.</p>
<p>When thinking about our future energy mix, it is useful to separate fossil fuels used for transportation energy (petroleum) from electricity generating energy (coal). They are different problems with different solutions. Solving one does not necessarily automatically solve the other, nor does not solving one necessarily prevent a solution for the other. </p>
<p>The solution to coal is is the maximum deployment of alternative generating technology and efficiencies. These technologies are right now getting increasing amounts of capital investment. Their growth is exponential. The big problem here, aside from the required massive transmission infrastructure improvements, involves old coal costs that I don&#8217;t fully understand. Earl Killian does and I defer to his superior wisdom about it.</p>
<p>The solution to petroleum is efficiency in the form of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and EV vehicles. By 2045 it very likely there will be very few gasoline cars on the road. Hybrids are already cost effective vs gas powered cars. The only limit on hybrid sales is availability. They fly out of dealer showrooms. Demand far outweighs supply. I would be surprised if gas only cars are even manufactured in 2025 or earlier. When mass produced plug-ins and EVs become available, demand for them will also be tremendous.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/05/drill-baby-drill-the-moment-the-republic-died/#comment-18719</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, 
A vote for additional off shore leasing is a vote for more off shore drilling no matter how noble the rationale behind it. Senator Obama does indeed favor increased off shore drilling. Quoting the official Obama energy fact sheet linked in my last comment, he promises to &quot;require oil companies to develop existing leases or turn them over so that another company can develop them.&quot; Are you saying the word require really means does not favor?

He calls for expedited drilling in the Bakken Shale formation (I thought this was shale to oil and thank you for correcting me. Turns out it is straightforward drilling). He wants more drilling in the Alaska Petroleum Reserve. If this is disinformation, it comes from Obama, not me.

Frankly Joe, I have been surprised at the kid glove treatment you have given Obama on energy issues especially his strong support for corn ethanol. I would think you would be horrified by what he&#039;s saying about coal as he campaigns in Pennsylvania and other coal producing swing states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
A vote for additional off shore leasing is a vote for more off shore drilling no matter how noble the rationale behind it. Senator Obama does indeed favor increased off shore drilling. Quoting the official Obama energy fact sheet linked in my last comment, he promises to &#8220;require oil companies to develop existing leases or turn them over so that another company can develop them.&#8221; Are you saying the word require really means does not favor?</p>
<p>He calls for expedited drilling in the Bakken Shale formation (I thought this was shale to oil and thank you for correcting me. Turns out it is straightforward drilling). He wants more drilling in the Alaska Petroleum Reserve. If this is disinformation, it comes from Obama, not me.</p>
<p>Frankly Joe, I have been surprised at the kid glove treatment you have given Obama on energy issues especially his strong support for corn ethanol. I would think you would be horrified by what he&#8217;s saying about coal as he campaigns in Pennsylvania and other coal producing swing states.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul K:

I am very close to putting you on permanent moderation for your continued spreading of debunked disinformation.  Obama does NOT support shale to oil.  Please read his plan and then understand what you are reading.

He does not &quot;favor&quot; an increase in offshore drilling.  The is incredibly clear from all of his statements on the subject.  He is willing to tolerate an increase in offshore drilling if that&#039;s what it takes to get the stuff that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul K:</p>
<p>I am very close to putting you on permanent moderation for your continued spreading of debunked disinformation.  Obama does NOT support shale to oil.  Please read his plan and then understand what you are reading.</p>
<p>He does not &#8220;favor&#8221; an increase in offshore drilling.  The is incredibly clear from all of his statements on the subject.  He is willing to tolerate an increase in offshore drilling if that&#8217;s what it takes to get the stuff that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: SqueakyRat</title>
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		<dc:creator>SqueakyRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does drilling everything in sight speed the &quot;transition to a 21st century energy portfolio&quot;? Does it make that portfolio a better risk for capital investment? No. Does it increase demand for that portfolio? Quite the opposite. Does it provide more public funds for research and development of that portfolio? Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does drilling everything in sight speed the &#8220;transition to a 21st century energy portfolio&#8221;? Does it make that portfolio a better risk for capital investment? No. Does it increase demand for that portfolio? Quite the opposite. Does it provide more public funds for research and development of that portfolio? Of course not.</p>
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