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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/06/must-read-and-must-see-tv-hot-flat-and-crowded/#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dirty fuel is actual mostly  derived from sun shine....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dirty fuel is actual mostly  derived from sun shine&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/06/must-read-and-must-see-tv-hot-flat-and-crowded/#comment-18804</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan of Tom Friedman, but I do like to listen to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94385403&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fresh Air&lt;/a&gt;, and Terry Gross just interviewed him on his book.  He had a number of attempts at phrasing that are interesting.  He said the &quot;Drill baby drill&quot; chant at the Republican convention would be like chanting for IBM Selectric Typewriters at the dawn of the PC/Internet age.  He calls clean fuels &quot;Fuels from Heaven&quot; (appropriate because it can  all be traced to stars), and dirty fuel &quot;Fuels from Hell&quot; (it mostly comes from beneath the Earth).  He says it is more important to change our leaders than our lightbulbs, which is a good line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of Tom Friedman, but I do like to listen to <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94385403" rel="nofollow">Fresh Air</a>, and Terry Gross just interviewed him on his book.  He had a number of attempts at phrasing that are interesting.  He said the &#8220;Drill baby drill&#8221; chant at the Republican convention would be like chanting for IBM Selectric Typewriters at the dawn of the PC/Internet age.  He calls clean fuels &#8220;Fuels from Heaven&#8221; (appropriate because it can  all be traced to stars), and dirty fuel &#8220;Fuels from Hell&#8221; (it mostly comes from beneath the Earth).  He says it is more important to change our leaders than our lightbulbs, which is a good line.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time I&#039;ll be sure to include a :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time I&#8217;ll be sure to include a <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/06/must-read-and-must-see-tv-hot-flat-and-crowded/#comment-18797</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shouting us out of the picture, to move the debate toward them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shouting us out of the picture, to move the debate toward them</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David BB 

Sorry, having trouble tell snark from trolling, I suppose.

Noise level has been very high on pro-environmental forums lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David BB </p>
<p>Sorry, having trouble tell snark from trolling, I suppose.</p>
<p>Noise level has been very high on pro-environmental forums lately.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Wallace --- It was a macabre sort of joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Wallace &#8212; It was a macabre sort of joke.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul K:

A friend of mine who lives in Alaska and served with two different governors  -- and who knows Palin -- noted that when she signed AO 238, she promptly tried to stack the deck by appointing deniers and oil sympathizers to oversee the sub cabinet&#039;s activities.

As for appointing an observer to the Western Climate Initiative, he says it&#039;s not because she wants to support it, rather it&#039;s a case of &quot;keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.&quot;

Actions do speak louder than words, and Palin&#039;s actions reveal her to be a climate denier and  oil troll.

Your actions, Paul, show you to be so partisan and doctrinaire that your comments are at best, worthless, at worst, dangerous and disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul K:</p>
<p>A friend of mine who lives in Alaska and served with two different governors  &#8212; and who knows Palin &#8212; noted that when she signed AO 238, she promptly tried to stack the deck by appointing deniers and oil sympathizers to oversee the sub cabinet&#8217;s activities.</p>
<p>As for appointing an observer to the Western Climate Initiative, he says it&#8217;s not because she wants to support it, rather it&#8217;s a case of &#8220;keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actions do speak louder than words, and Palin&#8217;s actions reveal her to be a climate denier and  oil troll.</p>
<p>Your actions, Paul, show you to be so partisan and doctrinaire that your comments are at best, worthless, at worst, dangerous and disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thingbreak - Those links were excellent.

I&#039;ve long been ambivalent about Friedman myself. I agree completely with his energy-climate change-national security-economic integrity nexus. 

But, as a Peak Oiler, I don&#039;t find his prescription - breathless technophilia and rampant globalization - realistic. That&#039;s just digging deeper when you&#039;re in a deep hole. (I also reject globalization on many other grounds, so I&#039;d have a problem with F even leaving Peak Oil out of it.)

This line from the Raibbi review made me break up laughing:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is a tale of a man who walks 10 feet in front of his house armed with a late-model Blackberry and comes back home five minutes later to gush to his wife that hospitals now use the internet to outsource the reading of CAT scans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s as dead on as it gets. I&#039;m very familiar with F&#039;s way from reading his columns.

Then there&#039;s this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The book&#039;s genesis is conversation Friedman has with Nandan Nilekani, the CEO of Infosys. Nilekani causally mutters to Friedman: &quot;Tom, the playing field is being leveled.&quot; To you and me, an innocent throwaway phrase—the level playing field being, after all, one of the most oft-repeated stock ideas in the history of human interaction. Not to Friedman. Ten minutes after his talk with Nilekani, he is pitching a tent in his company van on the road back from the Infosys campus in Bangalore:

As I left the Infosys campus that evening along the road back to Bangalore, I kept chewing on that phrase: &quot;The playing field is being leveled.&quot;

What Nandan is saying, I thought, is that the playing field is being flattened... Flattened? Flattened? My God, he&#039;s telling me the world is flat!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is like the pseudo-profound musing you have when you&#039;re stoned or on an acid trip. 

As for Iraq, from that clip I couldn&#039;t quite tell if F was just describing that way of looking at it, or if he was endorsing it. I don&#039;t recall his ever giving that kind of justification in his columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thingbreak &#8211; Those links were excellent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long been ambivalent about Friedman myself. I agree completely with his energy-climate change-national security-economic integrity nexus. </p>
<p>But, as a Peak Oiler, I don&#8217;t find his prescription &#8211; breathless technophilia and rampant globalization &#8211; realistic. That&#8217;s just digging deeper when you&#8217;re in a deep hole. (I also reject globalization on many other grounds, so I&#8217;d have a problem with F even leaving Peak Oil out of it.)</p>
<p>This line from the Raibbi review made me break up laughing:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is a tale of a man who walks 10 feet in front of his house armed with a late-model Blackberry and comes back home five minutes later to gush to his wife that hospitals now use the internet to outsource the reading of CAT scans.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s as dead on as it gets. I&#8217;m very familiar with F&#8217;s way from reading his columns.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The book&#8217;s genesis is conversation Friedman has with Nandan Nilekani, the CEO of Infosys. Nilekani causally mutters to Friedman: &#8220;Tom, the playing field is being leveled.&#8221; To you and me, an innocent throwaway phrase—the level playing field being, after all, one of the most oft-repeated stock ideas in the history of human interaction. Not to Friedman. Ten minutes after his talk with Nilekani, he is pitching a tent in his company van on the road back from the Infosys campus in Bangalore:</p>
<p>As I left the Infosys campus that evening along the road back to Bangalore, I kept chewing on that phrase: &#8220;The playing field is being leveled.&#8221;</p>
<p>What Nandan is saying, I thought, is that the playing field is being flattened&#8230; Flattened? Flattened? My God, he&#8217;s telling me the world is flat!
</p></blockquote>
<p>This is like the pseudo-profound musing you have when you&#8217;re stoned or on an acid trip. </p>
<p>As for Iraq, from that clip I couldn&#8217;t quite tell if F was just describing that way of looking at it, or if he was endorsing it. I don&#8217;t recall his ever giving that kind of justification in his columns.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repost- 
Well duh!  Sometimes I need a kick in the behind to see the obvious - We need Tom Friedman. 

I dislike the columnists in my paper and their columnists are a big reason why my subscription has lapsed.  They now carry more green features, but they should also be carrying Friedmans editorials on Energy and Climate.  

I plan on making the case to phone solicitors who call me, to salespeople who recruit subscribers in kiosks in local stores and in letters to the editorial board.  I will also seek out their advertisers who might be like minded and ask them to do the same things.  

Activist groups with mailing lists could include the above review, the video link and some choice editorials. His ideas are great.  Let’s work to get his columns in front of more and more people.

I challenge all whose newspapers don’t carry Friedman to do the same thing.</description>
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Well duh!  Sometimes I need a kick in the behind to see the obvious &#8211; We need Tom Friedman. </p>
<p>I dislike the columnists in my paper and their columnists are a big reason why my subscription has lapsed.  They now carry more green features, but they should also be carrying Friedmans editorials on Energy and Climate.  </p>
<p>I plan on making the case to phone solicitors who call me, to salespeople who recruit subscribers in kiosks in local stores and in letters to the editorial board.  I will also seek out their advertisers who might be like minded and ask them to do the same things.  </p>
<p>Activist groups with mailing lists could include the above review, the video link and some choice editorials. His ideas are great.  Let’s work to get his columns in front of more and more people.</p>
<p>I challenge all whose newspapers don’t carry Friedman to do the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Activist groups with email lists might want to include the above review, the video link and some choice editorials as well.  Let&#039;s work to get his columns in front of more and more people.  

I challenge all whose newspapers don&#039;t carry Friedman to do the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activist groups with email lists might want to include the above review, the video link and some choice editorials as well.  Let&#8217;s work to get his columns in front of more and more people.  </p>
<p>I challenge all whose newspapers don&#8217;t carry Friedman to do the same thing.</p>
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