Comments on: Gang-of-10 deal, Part 4: Pick of B.O.S.S. Palin and McCain’s speech make it a must for Dems http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:19:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18814 Ronald Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:36:11 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18814 I wrote that McCain would want to open ANWR to drilling and I was wrong. I thought he would want to do it to change the debate about Palin to how terrible. . . to how inexperienced she is to drilling. But the right answer was to promote the military-commander stuff. If I keep guessing, I'll be get it sometime. The time to come out for drilling in ANWR is a week before the vice pres debate. That way they might get 30 percent of the questions on drilling on something they are stronger in to the American public. I wrote that McCain would want to open ANWR to drilling and I was wrong. I thought he would want to do it to change the debate about Palin to how terrible. . . to how inexperienced she is to drilling. But the right answer was to promote the military-commander stuff.

If I keep guessing, I’ll be get it sometime. The time to come out for drilling in ANWR is a week before the vice pres debate. That way they might get 30 percent of the questions on drilling on something they are stronger in to the American public.

]]> By: red http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18813 red Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:23:41 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18813 "I say it’s 50-50 that he makes the final flip flop to embrace drilling in the Arctic national wildlife refuge, but that’s for another post." If it comes to that, it will be a great opportunity for another compromise. “I say it’s 50-50 that he makes the final flip flop to embrace drilling in the Arctic national wildlife refuge, but that’s for another post.”

If it comes to that, it will be a great opportunity for another compromise.

]]> By: thingsbreak http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18799 thingsbreak Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:01:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18799 <i>Kevin — I saw it. Yes, Easterbrook = Lomborg. It is a laughable piece. It’s on my list….</i> My initial take on it <a href="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/cracks-in-the-slate-ii/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Why on Earth he of all people is given a forum to comment on science is beyond me. And his reference to Cullen was lower than low. Kevin — I saw it. Yes, Easterbrook = Lomborg. It is a laughable piece. It’s on my list….

My initial take on it here. Why on Earth he of all people is given a forum to comment on science is beyond me. And his reference to Cullen was lower than low.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18796 Bob Wallace Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:56:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18796 "People are not thinking through the Rep position, they’re just reacting. They WANT drilling to be the answer…" People want AN answer. And what alternative solution other than drilling has been provided? Honestly I don't think anyone has a better solution at the moment. (Not saying that we can drill our way to cheaper oil. But drilling would help delay some future prices raises if nothing else changes.) If we could see one or two affordable electric/PHEV cars on the road then a strong alternate solution could be put forth. Show people a car that they could plug in and buy $1 "gas" from the utility company for 80% of their driving. I'd bet you would see the support for more drilling to drop through the floor. We've got a multi-year window for the Chevy Volt or Prius Plug-in or something else workable to appear. No one is going to start drilling this year or the next or the next. If oil companies see a car that mostly runs on renewable energy hit the market they aren't going to punch any very expensive holes in the sea bed. They understand demand decay. “People are not thinking through the Rep position, they’re just reacting.

They WANT drilling to be the answer…”

People want AN answer. And what alternative solution other than drilling has been provided?

Honestly I don’t think anyone has a better solution at the moment.

(Not saying that we can drill our way to cheaper oil. But drilling would help delay some future prices raises if nothing else changes.)

If we could see one or two affordable electric/PHEV cars on the road then a strong alternate solution could be put forth.

Show people a car that they could plug in and buy $1 “gas” from the utility company for 80% of their driving. I’d bet you would see the support for more drilling to drop through the floor.

We’ve got a multi-year window for the Chevy Volt or Prius Plug-in or something else workable to appear. No one is going to start drilling this year or the next or the next.

If oil companies see a car that mostly runs on renewable energy hit the market they aren’t going to punch any very expensive holes in the sea bed. They understand demand decay.

]]> By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18794 Mark Shapiro Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:56:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18794 Yikes. I just watched Stewart again, and though imperfect, he's even better than I remembered: - He actually does cite the EIA data! - He aired this back on Aug. 6. And remember: drill, baby, drill = burn, baby, burn. Yes, the drillers, deniers, and delayers are the new dirty hippy radicals. Yikes. I just watched Stewart again, and though imperfect, he’s even better than I remembered:
– He actually does cite the EIA data!
– He aired this back on Aug. 6.

And remember: drill, baby, drill = burn, baby, burn. Yes, the drillers, deniers, and delayers are the new dirty hippy radicals.

]]> By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18793 Mark Shapiro Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:49:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18793 The CEPR report that you cite is a horrifying analysis: NONE of the networks cite the EIA data when talking about drilling. Why have they simply caved to the Republican talking points so completely and willingly? (They are actually feeding a mob frenzy.) And if I can crib from a prior comment, Jon Stewart at the Daily Show provides a must-see of how it works: www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=178663&title=Indecision-2008—To-Drill-or-Not-to-Drill Nobody connects the dots like Jon Stewart. [JR: Yes, I've been meaning to do a separate post on the CEPR report. I'll put it on the list for this week.] The CEPR report that you cite is a horrifying analysis: NONE of the networks cite the EIA data when talking about drilling. Why have they simply caved to the Republican talking points so completely and willingly? (They are actually feeding a mob frenzy.)

And if I can crib from a prior comment, Jon Stewart at the Daily Show provides a must-see of how it works:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/ video/ index.jhtml?videoId=178663&title=Indecision-2008—To-Drill-or-Not-to-Drill

Nobody connects the dots like Jon Stewart.

[JR: Yes, I've been meaning to do a separate post on the CEPR report. I'll put it on the list for this week.]

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18792 Joe Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:59:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18792 Kevin -- I saw it. Yes, Easterbrook = Lomborg. It is a laughable piece. It's on my list.... Kevin — I saw it. Yes, Easterbrook = Lomborg. It is a laughable piece. It’s on my list….

]]> By: Kevin http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18789 Kevin Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:56:25 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18789 Hi, Joe, You might want to check out Easterbrook's review of Friedman's new book over at Slate. I think he may have a man-crush on Lumborg. An appalling lack of supporting evidence considering he criticizes Friedman for the committing the same crime. Hi, Joe,

You might want to check out Easterbrook’s review of Friedman’s new book over at Slate. I think he may have a man-crush on Lumborg. An appalling lack of supporting evidence considering he criticizes Friedman for the committing the same crime.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18786 paulm Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:10:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18786 note worthy: 'Climate crisis' needs brain gain http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7603257.stm <blockquote> The most brilliant minds should be directed to solving Earth's greatest challenges, such as climate change, says Sir David King. Former UK chief scientist </blockquote> Note the single parentheses in title. Media let down again. The former UK chief scientist note worthy:

‘Climate crisis’ needs brain gain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 2/ hi/ science/ nature/ 7603257.stm

The most brilliant minds should be directed to solving Earth’s greatest challenges, such as climate change, says Sir David King.
Former UK chief scientist

Note the single parentheses in title. Media let down again.

The former UK chief scientist

]]> By: Brewster http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18783 Brewster Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:18:48 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/08/gang-of-10-deal-part-4-pick-of-boss-palin-and-mccains-speech-make-it-a-must-for-dems/#comment-18783 Mauri, I think you're right. People are not thinking through the Rep position, they're just reacting. They WANT drilling to be the answer... Mauri, I think you’re right.

People are not thinking through the Rep position, they’re just reacting.

They WANT drilling to be the answer…

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