Comments on: Can Obama win with half a messaging strategy and half a ticket? http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:12:13 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: John McCormick http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19014 John McCormick Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:08:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19014 Bob Wallace, I also heard that NPR piece and some of it sickened me. I heard air heads talking the line Rash Limbag-types feed them. Worse, I heard white women finding a justification for voting against an African American because they can say, in their hearts without feeling racist, 'go girl'. Time is running out; and yes, Senator Obama would be ahead if Senator Clinton shared the ticket. It is mainly up to Hispanic and youth vote to deliver Obama. I wonder if they realize their importance and if the campaign is putting millions into absentee ballot and 'get out the vote' drives on campuses. McCain has the mindset to put us into another war and certainly expand fighting in Afganistan and soon in Pakistan. He is an angry man full of fight and doublespeak. John McCormick Bob Wallace, I also heard that NPR piece and some of it sickened me.

I heard air heads talking the line Rash Limbag-types feed them.

Worse, I heard white women finding a justification for voting against an African American because they can say, in their hearts without feeling racist, ‘go girl’.

Time is running out; and yes, Senator Obama would be ahead if Senator Clinton shared the ticket.

It is mainly up to Hispanic and youth vote to deliver Obama. I wonder if they realize their importance and if the campaign is putting millions into absentee ballot and ‘get out the vote’ drives on campuses.

McCain has the mindset to put us into another war and certainly expand fighting in Afganistan and soon in Pakistan. He is an angry man full of fight and doublespeak.

John McCormick

]]> By: Jim O' http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19009 Jim O' Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:37:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19009 I don't think these four stories are the real reason Democrats have problems winning the big election. The real problem is the incredible sophistication of the right wing propaganda machine which combines an incredible Madison Ave technology with ownership of the mass media to deliver their message which is stunning in its dishonesty but tailored perfectly to deceive people who have only a limited focus on politics which does not allow them to look past their hot buttons and predjudices. A significant portion of the critical part of the electorate (swing voters) are extremely suseptible to this. Why do I get hungry after dinner watching TV? Because I've just watched a pizza commercial and a hamburger commercial. This is scientific and proven - it works. Lies? No kidding. Big Big Lies are what these folks deal in - "Country First"? has there ever been an administration that has sold this country out more than the one we've suffered under these past eight years? NO. Ask any Republican friend: Would you vote for Bush/Cheney this year if they could run again? Answer: always NO. So why are you voting for them again? This, I think is the line of reasoning we have to employ and time is running short. Keep your chins up and fight hard - our country and planet can't afford to lose this time. I don’t think these four stories are the real reason Democrats have problems winning the big election. The real problem is the incredible sophistication of the right wing propaganda machine which combines an incredible Madison Ave technology with ownership of the mass media to deliver their message which is stunning in its dishonesty but tailored perfectly to deceive people who have only a limited focus on politics which does not allow them to look past their hot buttons and predjudices.

A significant portion of the critical part of the electorate (swing voters) are extremely suseptible to this. Why do I get hungry after dinner watching TV? Because I’ve just watched a pizza commercial and a hamburger commercial. This is scientific and proven – it works.

Lies? No kidding. Big Big Lies are what these folks deal in – “Country First”? has there ever been an administration that has sold this country out more than the one we’ve suffered under these past eight years? NO.

Ask any Republican friend: Would you vote for Bush/Cheney this year if they could run again? Answer: always NO.

So why are you voting for them again? This, I think is the line of reasoning we have to employ and time is running short.

Keep your chins up and fight hard – our country and planet can’t afford to lose this time.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19005 Bob Wallace Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:40:08 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-19005 After listening to a piece on NPR this afternoon, some outtakes from a lengthy conversation with 16 likely voters from PA, I think racism is a much larger problem than we want to admit. An awful lot of voters are going for the "great white father", even if the guy is an overall bad pick. I'm just hoping that enough younger, less racist voters turn out. It's time to move the old racists, homophobes to the sidelines. After listening to a piece on NPR this afternoon, some outtakes from a lengthy conversation with 16 likely voters from PA, I think racism is a much larger problem than we want to admit.

An awful lot of voters are going for the “great white father”, even if the guy is an overall bad pick.

I’m just hoping that enough younger, less racist voters turn out. It’s time to move the old racists, homophobes to the sidelines.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18985 Earl Killian Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:25:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18985 Robert, McCain is not offering the what people want, but he's being successful at lying to convince them that he is. What they want cannot be had with what he proposes. The fourth estate here does little to point out the contradictions of any candidate. To them news is the horse race and nothing more. Robert, McCain is not offering the what people want, but he’s being successful at lying to convince them that he is. What they want cannot be had with what he proposes. The fourth estate here does little to point out the contradictions of any candidate. To them news is the horse race and nothing more.

]]> By: Robert http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18984 Robert Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:11:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18984 I am afraid that the Republicans are going to win. At the end of the day the average US citizen wants cheap gas and doesn't give a s**t about polar bears. McCain is offering them what they want. Obama needs to learn to lie better if he want to get elected. I am afraid that the Republicans are going to win. At the end of the day the average US citizen wants cheap gas and doesn’t give a s**t about polar bears. McCain is offering them what they want.

Obama needs to learn to lie better if he want to get elected.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18981 paulm Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:02:17 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18981 Obama should have chosen Hillary, too bad! Obama should have chosen Hillary, too bad!

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18966 Earl Killian Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:46:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/11/can-obama-win-with-half-a-messaging-strategy-and-half-a-ticket/#comment-18966 I am skeptical about generalizations that can be made about elections. It usually comes down to strategic and tactical sense. In some elections considerations such as the above apply, but that is after the fact pattern matching to history. Usually as soon as a pattern is identified, it begins to fail, for similar reasons to the Maginot Line, or the January effect in the stock market. That is because the side with the superior strategic and tactical strength figures ways around. Unfortunately, the pattern since the 1960s has been that the Republicans have been evil and the Democrats inept at getting elected, which has led us to our present circumstances. I fear the red plague will once again sweep half the nation in November. It appears that prior infection does not confer immunity to each new more virulent strain. Symptoms include fear and even madness, and a tendency to believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There are reports that infection originated in a secret laboratory known as the Ministry of Truth, but others called this notion vintage 1948 fiction. Preliminary indications are that this infection spreads via the airwaves, and healthy individuals are advised to remain wary of the electromagnetic waves they allow into their houses (i.e. practice safe, skeptical viewing). No cure for the red plague is yet known, but the possibility of a slow recovery for victims remains a possibility. I am skeptical about generalizations that can be made about elections. It usually comes down to strategic and tactical sense. In some elections considerations such as the above apply, but that is after the fact pattern matching to history. Usually as soon as a pattern is identified, it begins to fail, for similar reasons to the Maginot Line, or the January effect in the stock market. That is because the side with the superior strategic and tactical strength figures ways around. Unfortunately, the pattern since the 1960s has been that the Republicans have been evil and the Democrats inept at getting elected, which has led us to our present circumstances.

I fear the red plague will once again sweep half the nation in November. It appears that prior infection does not confer immunity to each new more virulent strain. Symptoms include fear and even madness, and a tendency to believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There are reports that infection originated in a secret laboratory known as the Ministry of Truth, but others called this notion vintage 1948 fiction. Preliminary indications are that this infection spreads via the airwaves, and healthy individuals are advised to remain wary of the electromagnetic waves they allow into their houses (i.e. practice safe, skeptical viewing). No cure for the red plague is yet known, but the possibility of a slow recovery for victims remains a possibility.

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