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	<title>Comments on: Oldest Utah newspaper:  Bark-beetle driven wildfires are a vicious climate cycle</title>
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		<title>By: shop</title>
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		<dc:creator>shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>signs in Utah of the mark being left by a tiny tree predator commonly known as the bark beetle, a wood-boring insect that in large enough numbers can decimate an entire forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>signs in Utah of the mark being left by a tiny tree predator commonly known as the bark beetle, a wood-boring insect that in large enough numbers can decimate an entire forest.</p>
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		<title>By: Pangolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pangolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was extensive bark beetle damage and beetle killed trees observable when I was camping in Lassen National Forest earlier this summer. Possibly a major contributer of fuel load to the month of fires that started that weekend in Northern California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was extensive bark beetle damage and beetle killed trees observable when I was camping in Lassen National Forest earlier this summer. Possibly a major contributer of fuel load to the month of fires that started that weekend in Northern California.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is anybody cataloguing all this bark beetle death? Measuring it? Trying to find the extent of it? &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5334215,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In Colo&lt;/a&gt; they are, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/upload/beetlekillmap.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;definitely&lt;/a&gt;. Other places &lt;a href=&quot;http://earthtrends.wri.org/updates/node/226&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;too&lt;/a&gt;. 

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is anybody cataloguing all this bark beetle death? Measuring it? Trying to find the extent of it? </i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5334215,00.html" rel="nofollow">In Colo</a> they are, <a href="http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/upload/beetlekillmap.png" rel="nofollow">definitely</a>. Other places <a href="http://earthtrends.wri.org/updates/node/226" rel="nofollow">too</a>. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make matters far far worse, estimates of permafrost carbon stores revised upward:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/09/permafrost-orga.html
Maybe I didn&#039;t add enough &quot;far&quot;s.

The paper is:
Vulnerability of Permafrost Carbon to Climate Change: Implications for the Global Carbon Cycle. 
http://www.bioone.org/archive/0006-3568/58/8/pdf/i0006-3568-58-8-701.pdf
The estimate the carbon to be 1672 Gt.  Fortunately, so far they are still talking about &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; 0.5 to 1.0 Gt/year.

Say it ain&#039;t so Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make matters far far worse, estimates of permafrost carbon stores revised upward:<br />
<a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/09/permafrost-orga.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/09/permafrost-orga.html</a><br />
Maybe I didn&#8217;t add enough &#8220;far&#8221;s.</p>
<p>The paper is:<br />
Vulnerability of Permafrost Carbon to Climate Change: Implications for the Global Carbon Cycle.<br />
<a href="http://www.bioone.org/archive/0006-3568/58/8/pdf/i0006-3568-58-8-701.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bioone.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>archive/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>0006-3568/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>58/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>8/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>pdf/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>i0006-3568-58-8-701.pdf</a><br />
The estimate the carbon to be 1672 Gt.  Fortunately, so far they are still talking about <i>only</i> 0.5 to 1.0 Gt/year.</p>
<p>Say it ain&#8217;t so Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anybody cataloguing all this bark beetle death?  Measuring it?   Trying to find the extent of it?

Just from the comments it&#039;s far worse than I thought, and I read too much about it.

And is it happening in Russia?  According to   www.borealforest.org  
2/3 of the boreal forest is in Eurasia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anybody cataloguing all this bark beetle death?  Measuring it?   Trying to find the extent of it?</p>
<p>Just from the comments it&#8217;s far worse than I thought, and I read too much about it.</p>
<p>And is it happening in Russia?  According to   <a href="http://www.borealforest.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.borealforest.org</a><br />
2/3 of the boreal forest is in Eurasia.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killer bunny of doom:

The experts here say almost all the lodgepoles could be gone in a decade, Wyoming a few years after that, Utah around then too. Engelmann spruce are being attacked as well. 

One of the GF&#039;s major contributors just announced they are going to open a plant that creates cellulosic ethanol from beetle-killed trees. Let us hope there are other major markets for beetle-killed trees so the wildfire damage can be lessened. The wood is &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/5vdk66&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quite attractive&lt;/a&gt;, BTW. 

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killer bunny of doom:</p>
<p>The experts here say almost all the lodgepoles could be gone in a decade, Wyoming a few years after that, Utah around then too. Engelmann spruce are being attacked as well. </p>
<p>One of the GF&#8217;s major contributors just announced they are going to open a plant that creates cellulosic ethanol from beetle-killed trees. Let us hope there are other major markets for beetle-killed trees so the wildfire damage can be lessened. The wood is <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5vdk66" rel="nofollow">quite attractive</a>, BTW. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: caerbannog</title>
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		<dc:creator>caerbannog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to fly back to upstate NY on business a few weeks ago.  Had a window seat, flew directly over the Rockies on a cloudless day.

The extent of lodgepole forest death in the Rockies (especially on the west side) is just stunning.  Whole mountainsides were turning rust-red -- in some cases, the dead/dying trees went on for miles and miles.  I&#039;m used to seeing patchy outbreaks of bark beetles, but this is different.   What I saw was wholesale forest death in the making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to fly back to upstate NY on business a few weeks ago.  Had a window seat, flew directly over the Rockies on a cloudless day.</p>
<p>The extent of lodgepole forest death in the Rockies (especially on the west side) is just stunning.  Whole mountainsides were turning rust-red &#8212; in some cases, the dead/dying trees went on for miles and miles.  I&#8217;m used to seeing patchy outbreaks of bark beetles, but this is different.   What I saw was wholesale forest death in the making.</p>
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		<title>By: zencarver</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/16/oldest-utah-newspaper-bark-beetle-driven-wildfires-are-a-vicious-climate-cycle/#comment-19205</link>
		<dc:creator>zencarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dano,

Then add me to the list of those that praise that work.

Joe,

Good deal, and I&#039;m glad you plan to ask questions of the authors.  One more reason that certain sources (you, realclimate, etc) are so much more reliable than most of what the MSM is throwing out these days...

Zen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dano,</p>
<p>Then add me to the list of those that praise that work.</p>
<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Good deal, and I&#8217;m glad you plan to ask questions of the authors.  One more reason that certain sources (you, realclimate, etc) are so much more reliable than most of what the MSM is throwing out these days&#8230;</p>
<p>Zen</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking out my windows here along the Northern California coast at 3600&#039; I can see bug-killed Douglas firs.  Nice big trees that would have been harvestable in a few more years.

And I&#039;m watching less valuable tan oak and valueless poison oak creeping up higher and higher on the mountain.

At least here in the &quot;outside&quot; we&#039;re probably loosing productive timber land.  Mountains do get smaller as they get taller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking out my windows here along the Northern California coast at 3600&#8242; I can see bug-killed Douglas firs.  Nice big trees that would have been harvestable in a few more years.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m watching less valuable tan oak and valueless poison oak creeping up higher and higher on the mountain.</p>
<p>At least here in the &#8220;outside&#8221; we&#8217;re probably loosing productive timber land.  Mountains do get smaller as they get taller.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zen,

I was working Red Rocks Amphitheater last week for an urban forestry non-profit booth.  I was struck by how many folks stopped by and praised our work because so many trees in ___ County were red or dead, and how the state will look so different for their children. 

If you want an idea of what the Colo-UT-Wyo high country will look like, look to southern British Columbia. Went hiking in Cathedral a couple of years ago and was stunned by how many hundreds of thousands of acres were bare. We&#039;re starting to get people organized to replace with aspen as an interim successional species - there will be less recreational and aesthetic and watershed value, but at least there will be less soil erosion...

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zen,</p>
<p>I was working Red Rocks Amphitheater last week for an urban forestry non-profit booth.  I was struck by how many folks stopped by and praised our work because so many trees in ___ County were red or dead, and how the state will look so different for their children. </p>
<p>If you want an idea of what the Colo-UT-Wyo high country will look like, look to southern British Columbia. Went hiking in Cathedral a couple of years ago and was stunned by how many hundreds of thousands of acres were bare. We&#8217;re starting to get people organized to replace with aspen as an interim successional species &#8211; there will be less recreational and aesthetic and watershed value, but at least there will be less soil erosion&#8230;</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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