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	<title>Comments on: GM&#8217;s Lutz is nuts.  His PR guy ain&#8217;t much sharper.</title>
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		<title>By: shop</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-27313</link>
		<dc:creator>shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lutz has been wrong before and has openly admitted it…
When he was with Chrysler in 1987 he was “lukewarm” to that company purchasing American Motors.
It was one of the best things Chrysler ever did</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lutz has been wrong before and has openly admitted it…<br />
When he was with Chrysler in 1987 he was “lukewarm” to that company purchasing American Motors.<br />
It was one of the best things Chrysler ever did</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mercer</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-24664</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skeptic

  Your name is a misnomer.  You are not a skeptic.  You are a denier.

 Either that or you are incredibly gullible and just misinformed.
Take  your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptic</p>
<p>  Your name is a misnomer.  You are not a skeptic.  You are a denier.</p>
<p> Either that or you are incredibly gullible and just misinformed.<br />
Take  your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-24290</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it wasn&#039;t for Lutz, GM would be toast by now, the bean counters would still be running the show.  He is one of the only &#039;car guys&#039; left at these companies.  Just because he dosen&#039;t believe the GW nonsense being shoved down our throats, it does not mean he won&#039;t be able to make an electric car.  I guess we should all stop breathing since that puts C02 in the atmosphere.  Absolute nonsense!

Oh - and BTW, the Volt will be sold at a loss for at least its first generation.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Serious deniers stop using the breathing talking point many years ago.  It isn&#039;t biogenic CO2 that is causing the problem -- fossil CO2.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for Lutz, GM would be toast by now, the bean counters would still be running the show.  He is one of the only &#8216;car guys&#8217; left at these companies.  Just because he dosen&#8217;t believe the GW nonsense being shoved down our throats, it does not mean he won&#8217;t be able to make an electric car.  I guess we should all stop breathing since that puts C02 in the atmosphere.  Absolute nonsense!</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and BTW, the Volt will be sold at a loss for at least its first generation.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Serious deniers stop using the breathing talking point many years ago.  It isn't biogenic CO2 that is causing the problem -- fossil CO2.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: TomG</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-19736</link>
		<dc:creator>TomG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right Earl.
I should have added that I&#039;m interested in the upcoming Zenn and Think cars.
Either one of those should be affordable for me.
The Volt seems to be &quot;loaded&quot; with stuff to raise the price to increase profit.
I just want &quot;cheap&quot; wheels for the daily rat race...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right Earl.<br />
I should have added that I&#8217;m interested in the upcoming Zenn and Think cars.<br />
Either one of those should be affordable for me.<br />
The Volt seems to be &#8220;loaded&#8221; with stuff to raise the price to increase profit.<br />
I just want &#8220;cheap&#8221; wheels for the daily rat race&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-19566</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A day later -

I guess I fathomed a guess even though I thought myself unable ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A day later -</p>
<p>I guess I fathomed a guess even though I thought myself unable &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-19526</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will they?  Can&#039;t even fathom a guess.  

One or more might team up with a large car manufacturer in order to take their product to large volume levels in a hurry.  I understand that Tesla has been talking with at least one Asian car manufacturer.

I can&#039;t see any of the named companies getting to the point where they produce at Toyota/GM/Chrysler levels in the foreseeable future.  That&#039;s just too much infrastructure to create.

But then I don&#039;t know all that much about car manufacturing.  Is it possible that there are already non-car companies that make most of the components needed?  Buy your shocks from &#039;X&#039;, your windshields from &#039;Y&#039;, and perhaps all you need to do is set up an assembly line.  

Or even do what Tesla is doing and buy a &#039;rolling shell&#039; from an existing manufacturer and drop in electric motor, transmission, batteries, and controls.  

Notice that when Tesla figured out the transmission that would work in their car they turned to BorgWarner to actually make them.

Then the other side of all this is that the &#039;big boys&#039; have to do is to simply buy &#039;one of each&#039;, take the best ideas and jump all the development process that Aptera, etc. have done over the last few years.

That said, building a great electric car doesn&#039;t seem to be the issue.  The biggie is building a great electric car battery.  When those come to market most any car company can build a body and buy a good electric motor from someone else.

Going to be interesting to watch.

If I had to bet I&#039;d put some money on Tesla and Fisker hanging around for a while as producers of &#039;exotics&#039;.  

And most of us driving cars built by existing Asian manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will they?  Can&#8217;t even fathom a guess.  </p>
<p>One or more might team up with a large car manufacturer in order to take their product to large volume levels in a hurry.  I understand that Tesla has been talking with at least one Asian car manufacturer.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see any of the named companies getting to the point where they produce at Toyota/GM/Chrysler levels in the foreseeable future.  That&#8217;s just too much infrastructure to create.</p>
<p>But then I don&#8217;t know all that much about car manufacturing.  Is it possible that there are already non-car companies that make most of the components needed?  Buy your shocks from &#8216;X&#8217;, your windshields from &#8216;Y&#8217;, and perhaps all you need to do is set up an assembly line.  </p>
<p>Or even do what Tesla is doing and buy a &#8216;rolling shell&#8217; from an existing manufacturer and drop in electric motor, transmission, batteries, and controls.  </p>
<p>Notice that when Tesla figured out the transmission that would work in their car they turned to BorgWarner to actually make them.</p>
<p>Then the other side of all this is that the &#8216;big boys&#8217; have to do is to simply buy &#8216;one of each&#8217;, take the best ideas and jump all the development process that Aptera, etc. have done over the last few years.</p>
<p>That said, building a great electric car doesn&#8217;t seem to be the issue.  The biggie is building a great electric car battery.  When those come to market most any car company can build a body and buy a good electric motor from someone else.</p>
<p>Going to be interesting to watch.</p>
<p>If I had to bet I&#8217;d put some money on Tesla and Fisker hanging around for a while as producers of &#8216;exotics&#8217;.  </p>
<p>And most of us driving cars built by existing Asian manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Greg Says:
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
 He’s motivated by oil independence, but so what? That’s a worthy cause, too.

Er, I think hes mainly motivated by profit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Greg Says:<br />
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am<br />
 He’s motivated by oil independence, but so what? That’s a worthy cause, too.</p>
<p>Er, I think hes mainly motivated by profit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Killian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Wallace, Tesla, AC Propulsion, Phoenix, Aptera, AFS Trinity, Miles, Venture Vehicles, and Fisker are all on the left coast.  Think is in Norway, but has a left coast office.  Are you predicting one or more will make it big?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Wallace, Tesla, AC Propulsion, Phoenix, Aptera, AFS Trinity, Miles, Venture Vehicles, and Fisker are all on the left coast.  Think is in Norway, but has a left coast office.  Are you predicting one or more will make it big?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/22/gms-lutz-is-nuts-his-pr-guy-aint-much-sharper/#comment-19501</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For several decades I&#039;ve felt that GM, Ford and Chrysler caused themselves major problems by being located in the Upper Midwest.

I&#039;ve lived there, I&#039;ve lived in Florida, and I live in California.  Along the coasts, where the majority of Americans live, what one wants from a car is different than if you live in less-densely populated, flat places with brutal winters.

Additionally, cultural changes tend to start along the coasts and gradually spread inland.  These guys live where they are in danger of being a couple of years behind change.  By the time they feel a change in their pulse the greater market has moved on.

BTW, last winter in Thailand I noticed a lot of small Chevys on the road.  GM is building something that is an attractive alternative to the Asian offerings.  Why there weren&#039;t ready to quickly convert some SUV/big pickup lines to smaller efficient cars is a question that shareholders should ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For several decades I&#8217;ve felt that GM, Ford and Chrysler caused themselves major problems by being located in the Upper Midwest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived there, I&#8217;ve lived in Florida, and I live in California.  Along the coasts, where the majority of Americans live, what one wants from a car is different than if you live in less-densely populated, flat places with brutal winters.</p>
<p>Additionally, cultural changes tend to start along the coasts and gradually spread inland.  These guys live where they are in danger of being a couple of years behind change.  By the time they feel a change in their pulse the greater market has moved on.</p>
<p>BTW, last winter in Thailand I noticed a lot of small Chevys on the road.  GM is building something that is an attractive alternative to the Asian offerings.  Why there weren&#8217;t ready to quickly convert some SUV/big pickup lines to smaller efficient cars is a question that shareholders should ask.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a hint at how GM got itself in trouble: lutz&#039;s description of the volt&#039;s engine as &quot;tiny.&quot; in other countries, 1.4L is somewhere in the middle. i&#039;m sure mr lutz knows that. GM does sell cars elsewhere. but here, where the fix is in, he can let his hair down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a hint at how GM got itself in trouble: lutz&#8217;s description of the volt&#8217;s engine as &#8220;tiny.&#8221; in other countries, 1.4L is somewhere in the middle. i&#8217;m sure mr lutz knows that. GM does sell cars elsewhere. but here, where the fix is in, he can let his hair down.</p>
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