Comments on: Iceland gives hydrogen the cold shoulder http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:22:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: shop http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-27194 shop Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:31:49 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-27194 Renewable energy industry groups and environmentalists have not given up hope. Various advocacy groups are continuing their appeals. “If left unresolved, this lack of legislation will be a major impediment to continued investment and innovation in the clean technology sector,” said Mark Heesen, president of the National Venture Capital Association. Renewable energy industry groups and environmentalists have not given up hope. Various advocacy groups are continuing their appeals. “If left unresolved, this lack of legislation will be a major impediment to continued investment and innovation in the clean technology sector,” said Mark Heesen, president of the National Venture Capital Association.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19760 Earl Killian Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:50:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19760 Bob, perhaps you could ask this Professor: http://meche.mit.edu/people/faculty/index.html?id=43 That sort of thing is his specialty. Bob, perhaps you could ask this Professor:
http://meche.mit.edu/ people/ faculty/ index.html?id=43
That sort of thing is his specialty.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19757 Bob Wallace Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:37:21 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19757 Well, yes, but because of the unique geology of Iceland energy is very abundant. We didn't need to worry about efficiency when oil was plentiful and therefore cheap. -- Speaking of efficiency - anyone on top of this one? Bogus or not? -- According to Rongjia Tao, Chair of Temple's Physics Department, the small device consists of an electrically charged tube that can be attached to the fuel line of a car's engine near the fuel injector. With the use of a power supply from the vehicle's battery, the device creates an electric field that thins fuel, or reduces its viscosity, so that smaller droplets are injected into the engine. That leads to more efficient and cleaner combustion than a standard fuel injector, he says. Six months of road testing in a diesel-powered Mercedes-Benz automobile showed that the device increased highway fuel from 32 miles per gallon to 38 mpg, a 20 percent boost, and a 12-15 percent gain in city driving. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080925111836.htm Well, yes, but because of the unique geology of Iceland energy is very abundant.

We didn’t need to worry about efficiency when oil was plentiful and therefore cheap.

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Speaking of efficiency – anyone on top of this one?

Bogus or not?

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According to Rongjia Tao, Chair of Temple’s Physics Department, the small device consists of an electrically charged tube that can be attached to the fuel line of a car’s engine near the fuel injector. With the use of a power supply from the vehicle’s battery, the device creates an electric field that thins fuel, or reduces its viscosity, so that smaller droplets are injected into the engine. That leads to more efficient and cleaner combustion than a standard fuel injector, he says.

Six months of road testing in a diesel-powered Mercedes-Benz automobile showed that the device increased highway fuel from 32 miles per gallon to 38 mpg, a 20 percent boost, and a 12-15 percent gain in city driving.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/ releases/ 2008/ 09/ 080925111836.htm

]]> By: Milan http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19750 Milan Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:29:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19750 Even in Iceland, it is the efficiency from source to use that matters most when considering hydrogen. The kinetic energy -> electricity -> charged batteries -> kinetic energy pathway is a much more efficienct than the kinetic energy -> electricity -> hydrogen -> electricity -> kinetic energy pathway. Even in Iceland, it is the efficiency from source to use that matters most when considering hydrogen.

The kinetic energy -> electricity -> charged batteries -> kinetic energy pathway is a much more efficienct than the kinetic energy -> electricity -> hydrogen -> electricity -> kinetic energy pathway.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19715 Bob Wallace Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:34:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19715 Once upon a time hydrogen seemed like a good solution for getting off petroleum. It was thought that fuel cell prices would come down to some reasonable level in a reasonable time. But that didn't happen and batteries started improving. Hydrogen would have been a good solution for Iceland. If someone made the cars for them. They've got an incredible amount of cheap energy from both close to the surface geothermal and hydro. As one drives along the coastal ring of Iceland (where everyone lives) it's common to see several major waterfalls at a time. I suppose with global warming they're going to have a lot more hydro coming from their interior.... Once upon a time hydrogen seemed like a good solution for getting off petroleum. It was thought that fuel cell prices would come down to some reasonable level in a reasonable time.

But that didn’t happen and batteries started improving.

Hydrogen would have been a good solution for Iceland. If someone made the cars for them. They’ve got an incredible amount of cheap energy from both close to the surface geothermal and hydro. As one drives along the coastal ring of Iceland (where everyone lives) it’s common to see several major waterfalls at a time.

I suppose with global warming they’re going to have a lot more hydro coming from their interior….

]]> By: Milan http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19713 Milan Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:00:31 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19713 On hydrogen: http://www.sindark.com/2007/09/09/hydrogen-and-aas/ http://www.sindark.com/2008/06/19/fuel-cells-are-a-pipe-dream/ On hydrogen:

http://www.sindark.com/2007/09/09/hydrogen-and-aas/

http://www.sindark.com/ 2008/ 06/ 19/ fuel-cells-are-a-pipe-dream/

]]> By: Milan http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19712 Milan Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:59:57 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19712 This isn't surprising, given the cost of fuel cells and the fact that hydrogen is an inferior fuel. You can make it either by breaking down hydrocarbons or breaking up water with electricity. In either case, youl would be better off using the fuel or electricity directly. This isn’t surprising, given the cost of fuel cells and the fact that hydrogen is an inferior fuel. You can make it either by breaking down hydrocarbons or breaking up water with electricity. In either case, youl would be better off using the fuel or electricity directly.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19698 Bob Wallace Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:05:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19698 Sure wish we had a "true stuff about energy" site. A place one could go to get reliable information about all things energy and environment. Then we'd have less crap coming out from reporters who access bad sources. Sure wish we had a “true stuff about energy” site.

A place one could go to get reliable information about all things energy and environment.

Then we’d have less crap coming out from reporters who access bad sources.

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19690 Ronald Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:06:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19690 Maybe it wasn't Thursday's paper, might have been Wednesday's, but it was this week. Maybe it wasn’t Thursday’s paper, might have been Wednesday’s, but it was this week.

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19689 Ronald Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:03:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/26/iceland-gives-hydrogen-the-cold-shoulder/#comment-19689 Iceland might be getting the message, but how about the New York Times. Thursday's paper had an energy section and it had an article on Hydrogen and predictions of 2 million vehicles in the near future and 200 million vehicles by 2050, (or something like that.) They made a big deal of having Hydrogen fuel pumps concentrated in large cities and this was some kind of thinking breakthrough. It made me ill. Iceland might be getting the message, but how about the New York Times. Thursday’s paper had an energy section and it had an article on Hydrogen and predictions of 2 million vehicles in the near future and 200 million vehicles by 2050, (or something like that.) They made a big deal of having Hydrogen fuel pumps concentrated in large cities and this was some kind of thinking breakthrough. It made me ill.

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